Carolyn, I'm in the same spot you described, trying to make that switch and finding it a little difficult and very slow. I am a retired senior citizen so maybe it's just my "brain speed" (smile) How much is the training cost from Apple? TIA Linda in Atlanta -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What do you think?
Hey I just gotta chime in here. I live in Denver. I'm having difficulty making the jump to my Mac. I've called everywhere I can in Denver, looking for someone, anyone to give me the jump start/kick in the rear to really make this move from PC to Mac happen. Guess who has offered the tutoring I need? ... no, not the NFB, Not Rehab, but Apple itself with a voice-over trained staffer. I'm starting next week! Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Cody <mailto:cdog2...@gmail.com> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:36 AM Subject: Re: What do you think? Takes a deep breath. Oh yeah, like the damn nfb cares. if they cared so much, then why don't training centers demo macs. It's call money. I hate the ***** nfb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Robertson" <a...@anarchie.org.uk> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:30 AM Subject: Re: What do you think? Hello Nic, Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant along the same lines. Cheers, Anne On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around > for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. > Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article about > the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. > > There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the > NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue > Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to users > using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't even > review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more than > anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something in > store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious > statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. > Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, > far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What would > they sue them for, exactly? Because their products are accessible, and > they want everyone to pay more than what a Macbook costs for assistive > technology? That wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all about > competition. If they think they're about to be kicked out, of course they > would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done something Microsoft > has not. All these things sound really twisted and disgusting to me. > > Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with > iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous > suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, > however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are not > anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. > Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of being > kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people buying their > product. That would make sense. > > Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I > suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you > even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. > People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the > interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for > everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or > just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's > stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you > manage to do so, you will probably run into the screen not being read > correctly when reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case > scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video > Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 > then reinstall JAWS 11. > > Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the ass. > I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this corrupt and > twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper look at what a > company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative about the NFB, > though I am actually being neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit > itself. > > Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from > NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good reviews. > Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks for filing > unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish tantrum > here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A company is trying to > provide great accessibility for their products, and they are sued because > of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side, > people. Quit your darn nitpicking. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: > >> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks >> Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three >> year term is up? 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