Thanks for the reality check! I'm not really angry with the organization, more with that article published in June. I am glad to know that they have since retracted their statements. This is my last post about this! Olivia On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Randi Strunk wrote:
> Hi everyone, > > I am an iPhone user and am getting a MacBook in the near future. I’m > also an NFB member. Now, I don’t care whether you like or dislike the > organization, but what I’d like to remind folks is that the article > written by Wes Majerus, though printed in the NFB’s publication, does > not reflect the opinions of all NFB members. I know many folks who > work for the NFB, including Mr. Majerus and others on their access > technology team who own Apple products. Please note, I am not > defending the article or the organization for letting the article in > question be published I just want to remind people that members of the > NFB are just blind guys like yourselves many of whom own, and love, > their Apple products. I know I do, and I’d like to see this list go > back to being an Apple discussion list instead of an NFB rant list. > > Thanks, > Randi > > > > On 4/15/10, olivia norman <olivianor...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I agree Caroline! I really hope you have a good experience with the >> voiceover specialist next week. In the meantime, don't hesitate to ask >> questions here! >> Olivia >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Carolyn wrote: >> >>> I would agree with those taking issue with the NFB. It scares me that so >>> many organizations in the US take the NFB's word as speaking for the whole >>> "blind" population, (which the NFB loves to refer to as "the blind." >>> Unfortunately, they are taking credit in some cases for their lawsuit >>> "making apple address accessibility." Then they turn around and kick >>> Apple in the teeth with inaccurate reviews knocking Apple's effort. Quite >>> frankly, they scare me. >>> >>> Sorry for my soapbox addition to this. But it's hard for me to stay out >>> of a discussion regarding a group that tries to take credit for everything >>> good that happens and sometimes tries to "save the world" for the >>> population they lovingly call "the blind." >>> This is just one more reason for me to champion for Apple who isn't doing >>> anything but leveling the playing field for all. >>> >>> Thank you Mr. Jobbs, and all of you brilliant engineers at Apple. >>> >>> Carolyn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kaare Dehard >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:40 AM >>> Subject: Re: What do you think? >>> >>> Rob, we like worms. because of the shift in availability of screen >>> readers, and a lot of them coming at no charge in the apple product line, >>> this sort of thing comes up more often than would be liked. Some of the >>> people that would like to keep their special status feel it necessary to >>> make the waters mirky. We really don't mind providing our thoughts and >>> perspectives on these sort of things. >>> On 2010-04-15, at 3:31 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>> >>>> I apologize if I opened a can of worms. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> Hello Nic, >>>> >>>> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >>>> along the same lines. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around >>>>> for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. >>>>> Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article >>>>> about the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >>>>> >>>>> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to >>>>> the NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not >>>>> sue Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened >>>>> to users using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that >>>>> can't even review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done >>>>> far more than anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they >>>>> had something in store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it >>>>> is a pretty serious statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan >>>>> of the NFB at all. Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate >>>>> statements as well, far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to >>>>> sue Apple. What would they sue them for, exactly? Because their >>>>> products are accessible, and they want everyone to pay more than what a >>>>> Macbook costs for assistive technology? That wouldn't actually surprise >>>>> me much. It's all about competition. If they think they're about to be >>>>> kicked out, of course they would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple >>>>> has done something Microsoft has not. All these things sound really >>>>> twisted and disgusting to me. >>>>> >>>>> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >>>>> iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty >>>>> ridiculous suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the >>>>> case, however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs >>>>> that are not anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't >>>>> care about that. Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is >>>>> scared of being kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people >>>>> buying their product. That would make sense. >>>>> >>>>> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >>>>> suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you >>>>> even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's >>>>> outrageous. People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just >>>>> because the interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like >>>>> they do for everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first >>>>> complaint. JAWS, or just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If >>>>> JAWS crashes, it's stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the >>>>> product. Even if you manage to do so, you will probably run into the >>>>> screen not being read correctly when reading list boxes or with the >>>>> cursor. Or, the worst-case scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 >>>>> after attempting to install Video Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install >>>>> VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then reinstall JAWS 11. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the >>>>> ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this >>>>> corrupt and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper >>>>> look at what a company offers before suing them. I'll always be >>>>> negative about the NFB, though I am actually being neutral when talking >>>>> about the actual lawsuit itself. >>>>> >>>>> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone >>>>> from NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good >>>>> reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks >>>>> for filing unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a >>>>> childish tantrum here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A >>>>> company is trying to provide great accessibility for their products, >>>>> and they are sued because of one problem. iTunes is actually still >>>>> useful on the Windows side, people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >>>>>> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >>>>>> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >>>>>> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks >>>>>> Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this >>>>>> three year term is up? 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