Hey Brandon, Thanks, this was really helpful. I was able to reproduce what you describe using the Tab key and opening the site in Chrome on my Mac. It was interesting, too. I had tried using the tab key before and not been able to see show titles, so I must have done something differently the first time. I was also curious as to whether the issue is a Safari problem, a site accessibility problem, or a little of both, but I don’t know enough HTML to evaluate it as you did. I am not trying to blame Apple, if the problem is really poor website design. But I do think I’m seeing more of this behavior. Cheers, Donna
> On Jun 26, 2023, at 7:13 AM, Brandon Olivares <thepianist2...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Have you tried Chrome? I just did with that website and while it also doesn’t > read the table, I was able to tab through and see the show titles. Not super > convenient but it was workable. > > I think it comes down to the design, not necessarily the browser. I just > looked at the HTML and honestly I’m surprised it would work on Windows at > all. It is very poorly designed for accessibility. So I think at least some > of the blame has to go to the designers who create these sorts of controls. > >> On Jun 26, 2023, at 8:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> No. You have to use a PC to view it. But I’ve seen this more than once - >> enough that it’s kind of a major problem in my opinion. Not everyone owns a >> Mac and a PC, and frankly, you shouldn’t have to to be able to read >> information on the web. >> Best, >> Donna >> >>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 5:22 PM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I wonder if it’s a graphical table rather than a plain html one? I was >>> curious so I tried reader mode, it didn’t even see the table. Regular >>> tables work just fine though. >>> >>>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 07:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different >>>> address. Here it is again. >>>> >>>> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table. You have to >>>> scroll down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume >>>> contains a list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid. >>>> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock <michael@payown.media >>>>> <mailto:michael@payown.media>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Donna, >>>>> >>>>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari. >>>>> >>>>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they >>>>> experience issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a >>>>> configuration issue that some of us have not made an order to navigate >>>>> tables. All of the tables I have problems with our internal tools that I >>>>> cannot share access to, however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is >>>>> what pushed me to actually purchase parallels. 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