Well, hopefully it will behave better on the 14 than it does on the 12 mini.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 15, 2022, at 11:40 AM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If getting a 14 then yes, iOS16 will be installed, and I don’t think there is 
> any way to roll back the iOs.
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2022, at 11:38, Kaare Dehard <kaare.deh...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:kaare.deh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I hope that when you get the new phone that iOS 16 isn’t pre-installed. I 
>> have a X R and minimal misbehaving and focus issues have been observed after 
>> upgrade. Annoying but nothing that’s been a show-stopper.
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have not.  I need to upgrade my phone, so I’m just hanging in there until 
>>> I get my 14 Pro.
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 15, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone having really bad issues, have you tried resetting the phone? I 
>>>> know, last ditch effort, but it may fix some things and put you at the 
>>>> point where 16 is usable.
>>>> Devin Prater
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:49 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Did the latter.  I’ll check to make sure screen recognition is off.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> > On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:27 PM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com 
>>>> > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> > Odd, I have not experienced this issue. I have the known bugs with the 
>>>> > lock screen, but everywhere else works just fine. Make sure Screen 
>>>> > recognition is off. Also, try turning VO off and then back on.
>>>> > 
>>>> >> On Sep 14, 2022, at 20:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> No.  I’m experiencing them while in various apps.  One that jumps to 
>>>> >> mind is Mail.  I frequently have trouble getting mail messages to open.
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> Donna
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:23 PM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com 
>>>> >>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Am I correct in that you are experiencing these double tapping issues 
>>>> >>> on the lock screen?
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 20:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> I’ve never experienced that until this upgrade.  The strange thing 
>>>> >>>> about all this is that the behavior is very inconsistent.  Sometimes 
>>>> >>>> I’ll double tap and everything’s good.  Other times I can double-tap 
>>>> >>>> and double-tap forever and nothing happens.
>>>> >>>> Cheers,
>>>> >>>> Donna
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com 
>>>> >>>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> >>>>> We have had that issue for a number of years now. What’s frustrating 
>>>> >>>>> is it has not been resolved.
>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 14:21, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>> I’ve found this to be an issue as well, along with something 
>>>> >>>>>> strange happening with my phone screen this morning.  I went into 
>>>> >>>>>> my recent contacts, and tried calling back someone who was close to 
>>>> >>>>>> the top of the screen, and ended up calling someone else instead, 
>>>> >>>>>> not realizing what happened.
>>>> >>>>>> Then just to help prevent this from happening again, I decided to 
>>>> >>>>>> go into the more info menu, just to make sure I was calling the 
>>>> >>>>>> right person, and my screen apparently jumped again, and went into 
>>>> >>>>>> information for the wrong contact, and it took about 3 tries for me 
>>>> >>>>>> to select the right one.
>>>> >>>>>> Is anyone else noticing this?
>>>> >>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> >>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>> >>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>> After approx 24 hours with IOS 16, I have come to the conclusion 
>>>> >>>>>>> that my phone is only marginally usable.  In addition to the 
>>>> >>>>>>> swiping issue previously discussed, I’m also finding that often 
>>>> >>>>>>> when I tap an icon or a mail message, the item will not open.  
>>>> >>>>>>> Sometimes I can work around this by doing a tap and hold, but 
>>>> >>>>>>> other times I cannot.
>>>> >>>>>>> 
>>>> >>>>>>> Everyone’s mileage may vary, of course, and from what I read on 
>>>> >>>>>>> AppleVis, the usability may vary from one model to another.  FWIW, 
>>>> >>>>>>> I have a 12 mini.  However, I wanted to post this to the list, 
>>>> >>>>>>> just to warn others that they might be in for a bumpy ride with 
>>>> >>>>>>> IOS 16.  Were I you, I would wait, and hope for another release 
>>>> >>>>>>> that fixes some of these issues.  This is the worst accessibility 
>>>> >>>>>>> experience I’ve ever had with Apple, since getting my first iPhone 
>>>> >>>>>>> in 2009.  I’ve actually written Accessibility to ask about 
>>>> >>>>>>> downgrading, which I have never done before.
>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>> >>>>>>> Donna
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