Hello Tim and thank you. Your explanation, as always, is spot-on. When I changed to UK English, Daniel did, indeed, appear.
Thank you for clarifying this so well. Mark From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 8:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch Hi Mark, Basically, the WatchOS is not as robust at this point as iOS, iPadOS or MacOS. When adding languages, it appears that you are adding the default base voice for that language. So, if you added Australian, you’d have Samantha for the US English default voice and Karen for the Australian voice. If you added British English instead, you’d have Samantha and Daniel. Now, since you added US English, you have Samantha and Samantha :). An extra clarification though to your understanding. Donna did not simply enable Siri on her watch, what was suggested was to tell the watch to use the Siri voice instead of the base voice for the selected language. This setting is found in Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver. This setting makes it so that your selected Siri voice is used for VoiceOver speech. In my testing, when this is selected, switching English languages using the rotor will not actually change the voice though, as the Siri voice seems to have taken control. I’m not sure though if this is the case if you choose a non-English language as your alternative. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jan 16, 2022, at 18:52, M. Taylor <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: Hello Donna and All, Okay, first I understand that your solution to your original questions, Donna, was to enable Siri on your watch. However, I have another question because something doesn't seem right to me. First, on my beloved 8 Plus, I have two languages in the VO rotor, US English, Default, and US English. I have my beloved Samantha set as the US English Default voice and Alex set as the TTS for US English. This configuration allows me to quickly switch between Samantha and Alex on my phone via the VO rotor. So, when I read your original question to the group and a subsequent reply suggesting that you add US English to the VO rotor on the watch, I assumed that one would be able to switch between the two TTS engines , on the watch, just as I do on the phone. However, after adding the US English voice to the VO rotor on the watch, while I can switch between the two languages on the watch, as expected, unlike on my phone, doing so does not switch between the two TTS engines. Does anyone know why this does not work? Again, I am asking because switching between these two languages and their respective TTS engines on my phone works so well. All replies greatly appreciated. Mark From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:32 PM To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch Hi Tim, I finally got it to work. I had to power the watch off and back on, and then the option to turn on the SIRI voice worked. I feel your pain re sleep. When my watch self-destructed, it was four AM, and of course I couldn’t go back to sleep because I was trying to figure out what was going on. Have you tried Melatonin? I Take the 10MG tablets, and they help a lot, (barring self-destructing watches). Just FYI, for me the gummies are less helpful. I think it’s because they get into my system too fast, and so don’t help me go back to sleep when I wake up at 3 AM. Just a suggestion. :) Cheers, Donna On Jan 15, 2022, at 6:07 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi, I’m not sure. I tried it for an hour as well without luck. Maybe I’ll leave it on the charger overnight to see if it does it. It will mess up my sleep record, but I don’t appear to sleep that much anyway. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jan 15, 2022, at 13:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Anyone have an idea how long it takes to download the Siri voice? I’ve had the watch on the charger for an hour, and I’m still getting that same error message. I wish there was some way to know for sure that it was actually downloading the voice. Cheers, Donna On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Donna, Yes, I found that horribly early this morning when I was supposed to be sleeping. That’s what happens when you get old. Odd sleep patterns, and remember things in the middle of the night. Anyway, you need to put the watch on the charger to get it to download the new Siri voice. I also think that if you’re using the Siri voice, then you probably don’t need any extra languages in the rotor. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Alia, Oddly enough, this morning it was there, but I swear last night it was not. Last night I was using the Watch app on my phone though, so maybe that had something to do with it. I’ve noticed that since the re-set, there are a number of things that have changed since I first set up the watch two years ago. Now I’m getting the message that Siri will not be able to speak because of the language I have selected. That makes absolutely no sense, since the selected language is English US, so I’m assuming that it’s because the voice hasn’t yet downloaded. Dumb error message, though. It really should say something about needing to download the voice. Thanks for the help. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:46 AM, alia robinson <mailto:ali...@gmail.com> wrote: donna, you’ll see voiceover on, tap that, and scroll down. there is a toggle to enable siri voice for your watch there. it’s right before the braille settings. On Jan 15, 2022, at 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: No, that just changes the language, it doesn’t change the voice, unless you have that language alread set to the Siri voice. Shawn is right, what I need is the option that says Turn On Siri Voice, ut I’m not seeing it since the re-set. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:25 AM, Michael Jones <mailto:jmjones...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I think what you want to do is the two finger twist right or left to get to the language setting. Once on languate single finger swipe up or down to make your selection. I found this out one day when my watch changed to a language I don't know. Michael On Jan 15, 2022, at 06:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Sean, I don’t see this setting. I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen it in earlier versions of watchOS, but I’m not seeing it since repairing my watch. Where is it? Thanks, Donna Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2022, at 2:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the Voiceover settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use whatever Siri voice you're using on your phone. Regards, Shawn, Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add you. Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi Tim, OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to select a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I just can’t figure out how to do it again. Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <mailto:Macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi, Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a language. . Once you’ve added the language, the language option will be in the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on Language to change the voice. If someone else has more granular voice options, I’d like to know. I’ve been playing a little and got this far, but haven’t figured out if I can choose between voices within the added language. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hi all, This morning I had to reset my watch and re-pair it as a new watch. Now I back to the Samantha voice again, and I can’t remember how to change to one of the other voices. Can someone please refresh my memory? TIA, Donna -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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