Ok, it worked. I’ve noticed that on an external keyboard, designed for Mac and iOS, the fn key does not always behave as it should, so it made me more confusion!
Thank you so much for your help and sorry for any confusion, Best, Mohamed E. Fayed > On 15 Sep 2021, at 5:08 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Regarding #2, VO+left or right will move between items one at. Time. So, for > example, in a document if you’ve interacted with the document area, it would > move word by word. In a table, it would move across the row announcing each > column’s contents for that row, then move to the next row doing the same > thing until the table end. If in a browser, it will move element by element > with varying amounts of items read, all depending on whether you’re in Group > or DOM navigation. > > When you add FN to the VO+left or right gesture, it will no longer move in > the manner outlined above, it will instead move the VO cursor directly to the > beginning or end of the interacted with area. > > Consider that a screen reader can only work when there are specific API hooks > for it to grab ahold of. Each hook is analyzed by the screen reader to > determine how to behave. So, if the developer of an application uses > accessible elements within their coding, then the screen reader is able to > have specific commands to ignore some elements and go directly to the hook > identified as the beginning or end of an item, or group of items. If these > accessible elements are not implemented within the coding of the application, > then the screen reader has nothing to hook onto, thus it can’t tell you > anything. > > HTH. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Sep 15, 2021, at 4:48 AM, Muhammad Fayed <m10fa...@gmail.com >> <mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Thank you so much for your message. >> >> For the first shortcut, yes it works properly. >> 2. For the second, I don’t understand the point. I try VO+fn+left or right, >> it is the same as VO+left or right! Is that what you mean? >> >> Thank you so much for your help, >> >> Regards, >> >> Mohamed E. Fayed >> >>> On 14 Sep 2021, at 3:50 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Actually, you do have the Home/End/Page-Up/Page-Down keys on your keyboard. >>> Add the FN key to the left arrow for Home, to the right arrow key for End, >>> to the up arrow for Page-Up and to the down arrow for Page-Down. That >>> being said, you have multiple methods by which to accomplish moving to the >>> top of a window. >>> >>> For all these, make sure that you’ve first interacted with the text area of >>> the document. >>> >>> 1. Cmd-up arrow will move you to the top of the document. >>> 2. VO-FN-left will move you to the top of the document area. >>> >>> Also, know that using the right arrow instead of the left along with these >>> modifiers will move you to the end of the document area. Adding shift to >>> the mix will select from the cursor point to the top or bottom. >>> >>> HTH. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Jamf Certified Tech >>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 3:12 AM, Muhammad Fayed <m10fa...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I want a shortcut to get to the top of a window using Voiceover on iMac. I >>>> don’t have trackpad, but Magic Mouse plus keyboard without home/end/page >>>> up or page down buttons. >>>> >>>> The exact behavior can be performed using VO+h > commands > navigation > >>>> go to beginning or end. >>>> >>>> An example use case is to get to a top of webpage and not to the close >>>> button at the very top of Safari itself. >>>> >>>> Thank you so much, >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Mohamed E. 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