TIm,
Thanks for the additional referenc. I had a "system health check" yesterday
with my IT department.
They used the sysadminctl to ensure that admin had a token, changed the admin
password, installed code 42 crash plan ( it was in self service, so I suppose
the install itself I could have done).
And installed a Microsoft antivirus package.
Hopefully, I never have to use the crash plan console, as far as I can tell, it
is HTML where instead of hiding content that is not supposed to be seen it is
moved off screen. So reading through I see a bunch of dialogs and error
messages that make no sense, and then down at the bottom of the window was a
status message.
It seemed to be a good 25 minute session especially considering that the
primary tech was being trained by his supervisor.
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
> On Jun 9, 2021, at 00:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> The sysadminctl commands are the replacement for the dscl commands related to
> much of the user control. I believe that the dscl set is going to be
> deprecated in a future release of the MacOS. I’ve used the sysadminctl to
> remotely enable/disable the Guest account as well as manipulate the secure
> token status on APFS systems. FYI, the secure token is often the main factor
> in causing people grief when erasing their systems. There is always supposed
> to be an Admin user with the secure token attached, but sometimes, it gets
> messed up when during the initial user setup process.
>
> Later…
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:28 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I just discovered a keyboard command
>> sysadminctl
>> which includes:
>> sysadminctl -screenLock <status || immediate || off || seconds> -password
>> <password it
>> so I was able to type in terminal:
>> sysadminctl -screenLock off -password my password
>> and it reported that screen lock was turned off. Obviously my password is
>> not my password, but the string that matches my password was typed there.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 17:10, Matthew Janusauskas <mjanusaus...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a
>>> report via Feedback Assistant.
>>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in
>>> the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a
>>> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that is a bug. I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple
>>>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed
>>>> sooner. In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to
>>>> accomplish this.
>>>>
>>>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>>>> • interact with it.
>>>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>>>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%. This is too long in
>>>> most cases.
>>>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.
>>>> VO will announce the percentage. 20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about
>>>> 35 minutes. Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going
>>>> above 30%. You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>>>>
>>>> Later…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas <mjanusaus...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery
>>>>> preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and
>>>>> reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that’s odd. That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of
>>>>>> Parental Controls has limited your access. I wouldn’t think that that
>>>>>> is the case here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh well, how about we come from another direction. In System
>>>>>> Preferences, Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make
>>>>>> sure that the Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30
>>>>>> minutes to an hour. Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select
>>>>>> Battery so we can check its settings. Make sure that it doesn’t go to
>>>>>> sleep for 15 to 20 minutes when on battery and even longer when on power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, exactly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the
>>>>>>>> Lock button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and
>>>>>>>> the checkbox for logging out after so much time was dimmed? Is that
>>>>>>>> where you went and what you are saying is dimmed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness
>>>>>>>>> <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was dimmed.. I
>>>>>>>>> am really stumped!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you mean that the Advanced button is dimmed, then you need to
>>>>>>>>>> first click on the Lock button, then enter your password to unlock
>>>>>>>>>> the lock. Once it is unlocked, the Advanced button should no longer
>>>>>>>>>> be dimmed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Caitlyn Furness
>>>>>>>>>>> <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It’s dimmed out..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In that same Security & Privacy window, unlock the lock, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> press the Advanced button. Check if it is set to logout after a
>>>>>>>>>>>> certain amount of inactivity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Caitlyn Furness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That button was unchecked.. not sure what to do from here..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caitlyn from rainy Ontario
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like you have the "Require password after sleep or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen saver checkbox” checked. You can find this in System
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences, Security & Privacy, in under the General tab.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Caitlyn Furness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s happening about every 5 mins after logging in. If I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing email it doesn’t interrupt, but if I am listening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> music, for example, it definitely does interrupt. Totally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is happening across all users on this laptop..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:23 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How often is this happening? That is, every minute or so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right after I get logged in, or after about 5 minutes, 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes, after I open the lid of the laptop? Just a bit more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail to figure out the best way forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:14 AM, Caitlyn Furness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am having issues on my Mac..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically, the login window for the current user keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> popping up. This is incredibly annoying! How can I stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this from happening?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Running Big Sur on a late 2013 MacBook Air.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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