> Hi, > > The concept "screen reader" isn't exactly patented, though. All trademarks > and logos, etc are copyrighted by Adobe. Adobe actually says that Flash must > not be used as a noun, a verb, common verb or a generic in their "Adobe > Systems Incorporated Trademarks and Permissions" guidelines section. So, I > think they can. They even tell you to always capitalize "Flash", not to use > it as an output format and not to use it in terms of slang. Not only that, > but it must always be used as an adjective to describe the product, and never > in abbreviated form. I wonder what Adobe says to teenagers using the term > "Flash" to describe something that would be quite inappropriate on this list. > To me, it almost feels like they are claiming the entire word. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Maybe. Only thing I know is that it hasn't been done yet. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Mar 24, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Joe Plummer wrote: >> >>> Well, do you have to have adobe ok on it. Microsoft makes their own flash. I >>> don't think adobe can tell anyone who can and cannot make flash no more than >>> apple, or freedom scientific, windows eyes or whoever can tell someone they >>> cannot develop a screen reader. Just some thoughts. >>> >>> >>> Sign, >>> JP ( Joe Plummer) >>> joeplum...@tds.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viph...@googlegroups.com [mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Nicolai Svendsen >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:09 AM >>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: I Pad! >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> That comes down to the motto of the Click to Flash Safari plugin. "Any crash >>> is probably flash." Saying that, my Safari has been a lot faster ever since >>> I disabled Flash entirely. >>> >>> I doubt Apple can technically make Flash for the iPhone, without, at least, >>> Adobe's consent. If Adobe has publicly announced no Flash for Safari on >>> iPhone OS, except the CS5, and whatever the reason, I tend to believe that >>> Apple is probably more concerned about the security of Flash than anything >>> else. I say that because iPhone was once able to be hacked through text >>> messages. >>> >>> And, of course, the fact Adobe is apparently unwilling to make Flash >>> accessible on the Mac makes me even less supportive. Their excuse didn't >>> help. Including all their installers. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Laura wrote: >>> >>>> I think it is in Apple's hands, at least to some degree. After the iPad >>> launch, Adobe were very vocal about Apple's failure to support Flash, and >>> Apple were equally vocal about their reasons for not doing so. >>>> >>>> Some of those reasons were the ones you mentioned; I don't know how true >>> it is, but Apple claim that Flash is the greatest source of crashes in >>> Safari. >>>> On 24 Mar 2010, at 12:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> There is a Mac version. Adobe just refuses to make it visible to >>> VoiceOver at this point. I hope the current petition will make Adobe listen. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not even certain that Apple wants Flash on the iPhone, but >>> regardless, it's out of their hands. Apple does not develop Flash, Adobe >>> does. I'm more concerned about the fact that, whatever security holes Flash >>> currently does have, not to mention the immense intensity of the resource >>> usage, will probably cary over. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Joe Plummer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, maybe we ought to get a partition up for them to make a Safari >>> version >>>>>> or Mac version? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sign, >>>>>> JP ( Joe Plummer) >>>>>> joeplum...@tds.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: viph...@googlegroups.com [mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Nicolai Svendsen >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:24 AM >>>>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: I Pad! >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, Adobe has already said they're not releasing a Safari version. So >>>>>> unless someone seriously gives them a kick... you can forget about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Joe Plummer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, but a lot of things cannot be watched unless you watch it in flash >>> or >>>>>>> listen to it in flash. I suspect this is going to get worst not better. >>> So >>>>>> I >>>>>>> think flash is a must to make things complete. I don't like it either >>> but >>>>>>> have to live with what they are doing with the internet. Flash is the >>> way >>>>>>> they are going on a lot of things. More thoughts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sign, >>>>>>> JP ( Joe Plummer) >>>>>>> joeplum...@tds.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: viph...@googlegroups.com [mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Nicolai Svendsen >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:15 AM >>>>>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: I Pad! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, if you really want it to, call up adobe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a matter of fact, though, more and more "experimental" iPhone flash >>>>>>> applications are appearing in the App Store. It is really in Adobe's >>>>>> hands, >>>>>>> though, as they are just rolling out their mobile version for iPhone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adobe announced not to expect it to come to Safari Mobile browser at >>> all, >>>>>>> but rather added flash support to its Flash Professional CS5 Developer >>>>>> Kit. >>>>>>> This will convert software written in Flash into standalone iPhone >>>>>>> applications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All I can say is "Thank god". I personally don't care for Flash because >>> of >>>>>>> how, certainly on computers, the resource-strain seems to be crazy. >>> It's >>>>>>> definitely much more if it is enabled than disabled. Not to mention >>> Flash >>>>>>> security breaches. I can't imagine what that'd be like on mobile >>> devices. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Laura wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Joe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The iPad doesn't support Flash. I'd be very surprised if future >>> releases >>>>>>> of the iPhone software change that--at least in the short term, anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2010, at 10:41, Joe Plummer wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well I hope that is something Apple will address in the next release >>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> iPhone also. Now I don't know if the I pad will use flash or not. But >>> I >>>>>>>>> think it would. But will have to wait and see. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sign, >>>>>>>>> JP ( Joe Plummer) >>>>>>>>> joeplum...@tds.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: viph...@googlegroups.com [mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of john gallagher >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:17 AM >>>>>>>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: I Pad! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hi joe this is very interesting but again if i went down to sheffield >>> to >>>>>>>>> some of my friends we could not hear our local football team on my >>>>>>> football >>>>>>>>> website as it runs with flash which the iphone or ipad will not be >>> able >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> cope with. i wonder if there is a way around this difficulty. as you >>>>>> know >>>>>>>>> from my posts i can now listen to sky sports on my iphone but >>> anything >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> flash will not run. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- source message ----- >>>>>>>>> from: "Joe Plummer" <joeplum...@tds.net> >>>>>>>>> to: <viph...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> date: 2010/03/24 08:51:00 >>>>>>>>> subject: RE: I Pad! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think it will be the Apple net book to come in the future. >>> Will >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> do away with the Mac book air don't know about that. But if in say >>> the >>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>> 2 to 3 years they do great improvement to the I pad like larger >>> storage >>>>>>>>>> space, for those that need it. Either by more internal or even >>> external >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> removable storage should I say like a SD card. Also Improve >>> processer >>>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>>>> over the years. This would in fact be a net book. I also like the >>> idea >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> they made it so it could be hook to a external monitor or TV. Just >>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> will be able to have a small movie library to carry with you. Bo to >>> a >>>>>>>>> friend >>>>>>>>>> house that is having a small party and they need a movie to watch >>> and >>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>> what pull out your I pad and hook it to their large LCd TV and watch >>> a >>>>>>>>>> movie. This has and I think will have such great potential. Just my >>>>>>>>>> opinions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sign, >>>>>>>>>> Joe Plummer were JP were >>>>>>>>>> joeplum...@tds.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: viph...@googlegroups.com [mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:16 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: I Pad! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joe, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This has been my exact thought to, presently I am using a Toshiba >>> R600, >>>>>>>>>> which is famed as the lightest laptop, not net book, in the World at >>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> 735g, about 1.4lb to my US counterparts. It has a full 12in screen >>> and >>>>>>>>>> primarily I like it because it has the guts of a laptop but in the >>> form >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> in fact less of a net book. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Storage isn't a concern to me, I'm not looking to cart around with >>> me >>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> entire music library, just my thousand or so documents etc. To me >>> this >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> be for surfing the net, e-mail and word processing. Something that >>> it >>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> easily more than capable of. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I like you Joe, wouldn't have considered it without the dock option, >>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> me this really does make it something capable of replacing my >>> laptop. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a sneaking suspicion that it is Apple's aim to discontinue >>> the >>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>> Book Air, and make this there in-between option. If you look at the >>>>>> Air, >>>>>>>>>> nothing has happened to it in a few years, other than an increased >>>>>>>>>> processor. Perhaps because Apple is considering the iPad its >>>>>>> replacement? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For me at least I'm opting this way, I'll have my 14 days to try it >>>>>> out, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> cannot imagine it not being able to cope with my day to day tasks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: viph...@googlegroups.com [mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Joe Plummer >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 23 March 2010 16:31 >>>>>>>>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: I Pad! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, I am thinking of getting the New I pad that is coming out. I >>> sort >>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> plan on using it as a Portable PC. I really like the fact that it >>> has a >>>>>>>>>> docking station with a keyboard to it. This Feature is extra. I >>> think >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> 80 bucks. I also thinking of getting the one with the 3 g and wire >>> fire >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> think you call it . They say you can get the data plan unlimited for >>> 30 >>>>>>>>>> bucks a month and not on a contract. Or the lesser plan I it think >>> like >>>>>>>>> 250 >>>>>>>>>> mb for 15 bucks a month without a plan. It comes with all kind of >>> apps >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> are accessible right out of the box. It has a word processer and all >>> on >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> I think this is going to be in my opinion the apple net book. They >>> are >>>>>>>>>> really talking about the next one all ready. The sale department is >>>>>>>>> saying. >>>>>>>>>> But will be a few years down the line. So what do you all think? Do >>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> think it would be almost as good as net book? 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