Hi Donna,

Just thinking about it,

I use the watch face with the most complications on it,
I think it is 8,
 So with that and the dock I'm pretty sure I'd cover most of my required apps,

 Thanks Mark,
Good thought, I'll have to play more with this and see what happens.



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 9:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout

Hi all,

And of course, now that I've posted to the list and got all of you messing with 
this, my apps are staying in the exact order in which I want them. lol  Given 
past experience, I'm not confident this will last forever, but I've now put the 
watch on the charger twice, and my app order hasn't changed.

Great suggestion about the dock, Mark.  I don't use it often, I think out of 
habit as much as anything else.  But, that's a great way to make sure that the 
apps I use the most are easily accessible.  However, Simon's right that this 
only works for a few apps, but it probably will meet my needs.  I'll play 
around with the dock more over the next few days and see how it goes.

thanks to all for your thoughts on this.  they have been helpful.  Sometimes we 
get in ruts in how we approach our technology and it's great to have so much 
good input from a list like this to help keep us thinking about other ways to 
accomplish our tasks.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:02 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> You are quite welcome.  I know how important these things can be, believe me, 
> I do.
> 
> So, let me offer another suggestion.
> 
> I have found that it is much easier and simpler to arrange the apps in a 
> preferred order, via the phone, using the Dock feature.
> 
> So, here is the scenario:
> 
> 1.
> On the phone, open the Watch app.
> 
> 2.
> Select Dock.  A screen will appear upon which you may arrange your apps in 
> any order you prefer.  For example, currently, I have my recent apps listed 
> at the top, followed by the Messages app, then Settings, Timer, etc.
> 
> Once you get everything all nice and tweaked, and you're ready to roll:
> 
> 3.
> On the watch, just press the long side button instead of the Digital Crown, 
> and you will see the list of your favorite apps in the order of your choosing.
> 
> Oh, one more thing, you can clear the list of recent apps by using the 
> close-all-apps key sequence.  
> 
> To close all apps on your Apple Watch:
> 
> 1.
> Press and hold the long side button on the watch until the power-off and 
> other device closing options are displayed.
> 
> 2.
> Now, after releasing the side button, press and hold the Digital Crown until 
> your normal watch face appears.
> 
> That's all there is to it.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 8:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Wow, the list view is really different.  It takes so long to scroll through 
> the apps!  I could probably get used to it, but I've always used the grid 
> view.  However, that difference may explain why you prefer arranging apps on 
> your phone and I don't.  In grid view, trying to arrange the apps on the 
> phone is very confusing, at least in my opinion.
> 
> However, what I am trying to accomplish would presumably be the same in 
> either view.  I want the apps I use the most to be closest when I enter the 
> apps page.  Using grid view, I've been able to accomplish that, but they just 
> never stay put.  It's the strangest thing.
> 
> thanks for messing around with this, Mark, I appreciate it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 8:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> So, have you experimented with the list view on your Series 4?  
>> 
>> I truly do prefer it to the grid view.
>> 
>> To switch to List view:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Press the Digital Crown, once.  The apps page will be displayed.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Single-finger, double-tap, and hold on the display until an audio signal and 
>> hap tic feedback have occurred.  
>> 
>> 3.
>> Remove your finger from the display.  Now, either explore-by-touch or use 
>> the Digital Crown to place focus on either the Grid View icon or the List 
>> View icon.  
>> 
>> 4.
>> Finally, single-finger, double-tap the display to activate your selection.
>> 
>> Donna, let me know what you think, okay?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 9:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple watch doesn't retain app layout
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> To answer your second question first, when I try and modify app layout from 
>> the watch app on my phone, I can't really tell where the apps are going to 
>> end up.  If I do it from the watch, I know exactly where they are.  I'm not 
>> sure when they get moved back,  but I'm guessing it's when I plug the watch 
>> in.  to reproduce:
>> 1.  Bring up the watch face.
>> 2.   Press the round button on the front of the watch to bring up apps.
>> 3. Swipe right to hear VO say Arrange apps and double-tap.  VO says editing..
>> 4.  Your choices will be move left or move right.  double-tap the choice you 
>> want until the app is where you want it to be.
>> 5.  Press Round button again to return to watch face.
>> 
>> Now see how long that app stays where you put it.  
>> 
>> You may be on to something with the difference between moving on the phone 
>> and on the watch.  I moved some apps in the Watch app on my phone last night 
>> after I saw your message, and this morning they were still where I had moved 
>> them.
>> 
>> thanks for your help with this.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 4:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Donna,
>>> 
>>> I have read your comments several times and I’m not certain I truly 
>>> understand your dilemma.
>>> 
>>> I will try to reproduce your findings if you can list the exact list of 
>>> steps to follow.
>>> 
>>> Also, why would you elect to modify the app layout on the watch, itself, 
>>> instead of on the phone?
>>> 
>>> Just curious.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> About three times now, I have arranged the apps on my series 4 watch the 
>>>> way I want them, and every time I do, they go back to the way they were.  
>>>> I am moving them on the watch, not in the app on my phone.  Has anyone 
>>>> else experienced this, and does anyone know of a way to make apps stay 
>>>> where you put them?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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