Hi Mark, Try the number keys with your VO keys on the apple keyboard, You should get things like volume and such
-----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2019 3:10 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad? Hello Simon, Hmm! It never occurred to me that the number row on the Apple Keyboard may double as function keys. If so, I have not yet discovered how to make this happen. I tried pressing them in combination with the function key, located on the lower-left corner of the device but, as yet, no soap. I'll do some research on this. Actually, the Smart keyboard is not that bad, in terms of size, look and feel. I think I just need more time with it. Mark -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 11:31 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad? Hi Mark, I thought the series1 of the smart keyboard did have function keys? Or is it they double up as function keys. -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, 25 February 2019 9:02 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad? Oh yeah, this $150 Apple Smart Keyboard I purchase? It does not have any function keys, either. (Big Smile). Mark -----Original Message----- From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:19 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad? Yeah, I have to say one thing that makes me really happy about this setup is having a home key again, and having function keys. Cheers, Donna > On Feb 24, 2019, at 1:09 PM, KliphnShari Miller <kliphnsh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That smart keyboard for the 11 inch sucks also. Has no function keys, > no escape key, and is over priced. At least the Logitech model > provides edge to edge protection if you do drop it. I had the 6th ten > 2018 model, but sold it and got the iPad Pro 2018 model. Waiting for > the keyboard made by bridge, it is currently on back order, it is > suppose to make your keyboard look like and MacBook Pro setup. We > will see. Right now I am substituting with the magic keyboard, > > >> On Feb 24, 2019, at 12:35 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> >> Hello Donna, >> >> Yes, I have found the same, with regard to swiping in order to find certain >> buttons. >> >> I am also using the scrub jester, a great deal. >> >> I've heard wonderful things about that Logitek keyboard case. So far, I'm >> not that impressed with the Apple Smart Keyboard. It's thin but it's not >> very fast and it does not have an escape key. Try as I may, I cannot >> determine the use of the function key on this keyboard. >> >> Tell me, do you find that, even with the keyboard connected, you must still >> continue to use the display to interact with the device? Does your keyboard >> have an escape key? >> >> If you really like the Logitek keyboard, let me know and perhaps I'll pick >> one up. I'm almost certain they won't have any for 10.5 anywhere but either >> online or at Apple. >> >> Apparently, my poor little 10.5 is the proverbial black sheep of the iPad >> family, these days. (smile). >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 6:44 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad? >> >> Hey again, Mark, >> >> I'm having trouble getting used to navigating the screen, too. At this >> point, I find I'm doing a lot more swiping around, which kind of negates the >> benefits of a touch screen. But for example, it seems like the only way I >> can get out of a settings menu is to swipe all the way back through the >> options until I hear the back button spoken. If anyone has pointers for >> navigating the larger screen, they would be appreciated. >> >> As for holding the device, I bought a Logitech keyboard case with mine, so >> my plan is that often at least, I will just set it in my lap or on a >> surface, like I would a laptop. I'm actually starting to wonder to what >> point this thing can become a laptop replacement. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >>> On Feb 24, 2019, at 12:38 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Donna. >>> >>> Wow! Good for you. Congratulations on your new iPad. >>> >>> I purchased an iPad Pro 10.5 inch. >>> >>> I purchased the Pro because I wanted faster speed, along with TouchID and >>> the ability to use the Apple Smart keyboard. Also, Pro has four amazing >>> speakers. >>> >>> Now because of a home office computer catastrophe that has since been >>> resolved, even though I've owned my iPad since Monday, I've only spent >>> about 2 hours working with it, so far. >>> >>> I'll tell you that, while I love the sound quality of the device and the >>> display is amazing, I'm having a bit of a problem getting used to VoiceOver >>> on the larger display. >>> >>> I don't like the split screen effect which, when I look at it with my eyes, >>> makes sense. From a blindness perspective, however, I prefer iPhone, so >>> far. >>> >>> What I mean by the split screen effect is the fact that when you land on >>> General settings, on the left side of the display, all of the sub items are >>> located to the right. I get it, I just don't like it because it feels as >>> though I am compelled to use both hands to navigate. >>> >>> Also, I cannot, as yet, get used to holding the device. I'm so used to >>> holding iPhone in my left hand and using my left thumb to navigate the >>> display. However, with the size of iPad, my left hand gets so very tired, >>> very quickly. >>> >>> By the way, I have the recently released iPad 128 in the house, also and >>> there is definitely a speed difference between the 128, which was recently >>> released and iPad Pro 10.5. The 128, is noticeably slower, in my opinion. >>> It should be, the cost is around $250 as opposed to $1000 for iPad Pro >>> 256GB. >>> >>> It's funny, when I went to Apple on Monday, they did virtually everything >>> in their power to convince me not to buy iPad Pro 10.5, with cellular. >>> >>> They were really pushing the latest iPad Pro and they even went so far as >>> to push iPad 128. >>> >>> In fact, I went through 5 sales people, re-entering the store 4 times, >>> before I found someone from whom I felt comfortable buying iPad Pro 10.5. >>> >>> One sales person advised that I not buy iPad Pro 10.5, go home, think about >>> it, then come back and buy the latest iPad Pro. I told all of them that I >>> had absolutely no intention of buying anything with FaceID, at this time. >>> >>> One more thing, I am finding it extremely difficult and frustrating using >>> the onscreen keyboard with VoiceOver. In fact, in many instances, I am >>> using the Apple Smart keyboard to enter passwords and search terms although >>> I, so far, am not a big fan of the Smart keyboard, either. In short, the >>> iPad onscreen keyboard looks markedly different from iPhone. I did not >>> expect this. >>> >>> In so many ways, it feels as though I am having to re-learn iOS; something >>> I definitely didn't expect. >>> >>> Be this as it may, I am in this for the long run and will definitely keep >>> my iPad Pro 10.5. >>> >>> Mark >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 10:20 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad? >>> >>> Well, I'm now the proud owner of a 2018 iPad, and a Logictech >>> keyboard case. This sets a record for my most expensive impulse >>> buy. Feeling very glad for BestBuy's two-week return policy. lol >>> >>> Guess I'm off to play! >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 11:03 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I need to set this up again when I find a victim, err, a volunteer, so I >>>> can make some practice runs and make sure I csan do this on the fly. The >>>> Focus Blue 5th as made this so simple and so far I like the wauy it all >>>> works. For this I use the Drafts app because it opens directly to the text >>>> field. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>> true? >>>> >>>> On 2/23/2019 8:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>> Hey ET, >>>>> That’s an interesting set up. I’ve always hated having to choose between >>>>> a braille display and a qwerty keyboard, so that actually sounds kind of >>>>> attractive. Thanks. >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 10:38 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are ready now, there is no reason to wait for a new model. >>>>>> If everyone was to wait for the next generation, they may as >>>>>> well, well, wait forever. (smiles) >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the mini 4. Its main purpose is as a backup should something >>>>>> happen to my hearing. Its in a case with a qwerty keyboard. Pair the >>>>>> mini with a braille display and I can communicate with others. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't use it much currently but that will change. >>>>>> >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it >>>>>> were true? >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/23/2019 7:48 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>> Thanks. I'll check out 9-5 Mac and see what I can learn. But since I >>>>>>> envision the iPad being a very secondary device, I'm not sure I need >>>>>>> the latest and greatest. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 9:34 AM, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 things. First, if you're considering an iPad, I would hold off as >>>>>>>> if your looking at a mini, apple says they are releasing an iPad mini >>>>>>>> 5th gen some time this year. I think 9-5 mac has articles suggesting >>>>>>>> such. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Second. The iPad mini is good for the simple fact that it is only >>>>>>>> about 7 inches and is great as a small device if you do not have a >>>>>>>> laptop and you can always get a keyboard to use with it if you do not >>>>>>>> have one already. I would be interested in other people's thought as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matthew >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 8:59 AM >>>>>>>> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>> <Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OK, so Mark has re-awakened the bug in me, and I'm thinking about >>>>>>>> buying an iPad mini. But I'd like to do a sensibility check first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been curious about learning Swift ever since Apple released Swift >>>>>>>> Playgrounds. However, my interest is largely as a hobby, I don't see >>>>>>>> myself suddenly embarking on a career as an app developer. With that >>>>>>>> in mind, I'm wondering if buying an iPad is just a silly expensive >>>>>>>> purchase. Other than the Swift Playgrounds issue, I've always felt >>>>>>>> like an iPad would just be redundant, since I have no need whatsoever >>>>>>>> for the extra screen real-estate. so here's my question. Do any of >>>>>>>> you own both an iPhone and an iPad? If so, what is the value of >>>>>>>> having both devices? What niche or need does the iPad fill that the >>>>>>>> phone does not? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any input. >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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