ET,
There is also the fact the 4k does 4k resolution where as the 4 doesn't
For the difference in price I'd say go the 4k.
Infact I did a couple of years ago when it came out.
-----Original Message-----
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2019 9:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password
One difference in the two models is that the 4K has Bluetooth 5. I don't
know if that is important, the only Bluetooth device I may want in future are
headphones. Is maximum range improved over BT 4 and lower?
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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On 2/6/2019 10:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yeah, the 4K would be nice, but I don't have a good reason to get one
> yet. The 4 works just fine and I don't have that many TV's in my
> house to justify more Apple TV's. Now, if I could just get a HomePod
> for about half-price, my life would be great.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:43, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> Indeed. That was what threw me until I found out about appending
> the code. And I agree, Apple made it possible to meld old and new
> technology in this way.
>
> I took a quick look at the ATV 4th and 4K models and think the 4K
> would be best due to the specs. $30 difference. Christmas is a long
> ways off. :)
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
> true?
>
> On 2/6/2019 9:23 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Yeah, it's amazing how irate some folks get. The problem is that
>> they are using older technology that is not always easy to make work
>> within today's security needs. In my world, it's actually amazing
>> that being able to append the verification code is even possible.
>> That makes it kind of squash their complaints in that Apple is making
>> it possible to do this higher security process on devices that
>> normally don't have this level of security possible.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:04, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> I guess you don't need to make that house call. I had to smile at
>> the comments made on that link you posted. My comments would not have
>> survived the censors. But at the end of the day, I learned something.
>> And the ATV 4th will be on my wish list. Bu the way, one of the
>> comments explained the need for appending the code on older ATVs,
>> Made sense.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>> true?
>> On 2/6/2019 8:58 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Yay. Good job.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Feb
>>> 6, 2019, at 09:51, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> Well that was the missing key, don't close the dialog with the
>>> code. And use the ATV remote to enter the code. Whew. Star Trek tonight.
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>>> true?
>>> On 2/6/2019 6:20 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Yes, using the ATV physical remote works well for me. I get the
>>>> code on the iPhone, I don't even bother tapping OK to get rid of it.
>>>> I just use VO to voice the six digit code, and use the ATV physical
>>>> remote to enter the six digits and voila, all done.
>>>> Later...
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On
>>>> Feb 5, 2019, at 21:57, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> Hmmm, do you make house calls? (grins) I think I know what I am
>>>> doing wrong. On the iPhone, after I receive code, I have to close
>>>> the dialog so I can switch back to the remote app. In doing so I
>>>> must be nuking the code. I will have to use the ATV keyboard but
>>>> will give it a rest for now..
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>>>> true?
>>>> On 2/5/2019 6:50 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I did it with my ATV 2 this evening. Worked like a charm. I
>>>>> entered my Apple ID and password, then asked my iPhone to generate
>>>>> a verification code, entered it with the ATV remote and all went
>>>>> as planned. Apple Music is not available of course,, but I can
>>>>> get at the music by connecting to one of my computers. Purchased
>>>>> music is available, without connecting to the computer, but my
>>>>> playlists are in the Cloud, so I either need to connect to the
>>>>> computer or have iTunes Match, which I just got rid of in favour of Apple
>>>>> Music.
>>>>> Purchased movies and TV shows are all available to my ATV 2 and I
>>>>> can get the ripped ones from the computer. Cool, now I have
>>>>> access to the iTunes libraries on both Apple TV's. I will say
>>>>> that the ATV 4 is much nicer in my world, but it's fun to still
>>>>> have the use of the old one for a while.
>>>>> Later...
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On
>>>>> Feb 5, 2019, at 19:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> I NEED dessert! Won't hurt me now because I gave up. T took the
>>>>> Mac downstairs, it got messy. Can't bring the TV up but maybe I
>>>>> can bring the ATV up, will see if that is doable.
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it
>>>>> were true?
>>>>> On 2/5/2019 4:30 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>> Lol! Well, just finished dinner, guess it's time for dessert!
>>>>>> I had a minor emergency medical procedure done today, so haven't
>>>>>> been able to follow the rest of the thread. did you get it
>>>>>> sorted out?
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now here is someone who has common sense. Donna, being that
>>>>>>> Bailey's over and let's straighten out the mess I have here.
>>>>>>> (grins)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it
>>>>>>> were true?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/5/2019 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>> OK, I really tried not to jump in, but I can't help myself.
>>>>>>>> Baileys and coffee is to die for! So is Frangelico and coffee!
>>>>>>>> Though they do turn coffee into more of a dessert, and less of
>>>>>>>> a morning wake-up thing.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Simon has long since gone over the cliff. On the other hand,
>>>>>>>>> if I don't fix this mess today, I may have to join him. He
>>>>>>>>> best have coffee ready for me. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it
>>>>>>>>> were true?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/2019 6:30 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Simon,
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for driving you over the edge. I'm not a coffee
>>>>>>>>>> drinker, so was just making a suggestion. I agree though,
>>>>>>>>>> straight, no chaser is always desirable no matter the
>>>>>>>>>> distilled beverage.
>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 00:34, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ok Gents,
>>>>>>>>>> I’m kind of confused!?
>>>>>>>>>> Why would you put baileys into coffee?
>>>>>>>>>> Coffee should be taken internally and without polluting it
>>>>>>>>>> with other substances Straight with no addatives You guys are
>>>>>>>>>> weird.
>>>>>>>>>> Bailieys again should be taken straight from the bottle
>>>>>>>>>> without mixing it with anything.
>>>>>>>>>> Weird man weird!
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> Straight coffee might be the issue. Spice it up a little
>>>>>>>>>> with a shot of Bailey's and things may just work better.
>>>>>>>>>> Either that, or you won't care ;).
>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> We may be on the right path but while I have reset the
>>>>>>>>>> password a time or two in the past, I never had so many
>>>>>>>>>> issues before. Its odd because I can sign out of things on
>>>>>>>>>> the Mac and sign back in. I may just repeat the process
>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow with a new password. I think I have enough coffee.
>>>>>>>>>> :) From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if
>>>>>>>>>> it were true?
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> would be automatically sent to one of your already
>>>>>>>>>> approved devices.
>>>>>>>>>> So, if your iPhone is one of the approved devices, then
>>>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>>>> attempt to sign in with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it
>>>>>>>>>> asks for
>>>>>>>>>> Apple ID and password, it usually sends a notification to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> iPhone. If it is not doing this, then it's possible that
>>>>>>>>>> your ATV
>>>>>>>>>> is still considered an approved device from before, but I
>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>> that it might do the 2FA thing again. I don't have an ATV
>>>>>>>>>> 3
>>>>>>>>>> anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for
>>>>>>>>>> the 2FA
>>>>>>>>>> separately.
>>>>>>>>>> It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionarie
>>>>>>>>>> s...@googlegroups.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I
>>>>>>>>>> may have to
>>>>>>>>>> reset the password again because I just tried to sign into
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> iTunes and App stores on the iPhone which I thought I
>>>>>>>>>> already had done.
>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:Ancient.Aliens@iclo
>>>>>>>>>> ud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)? If so, on
>>>>>>>>>> the ATV
>>>>>>>>>> 3, I believe you need to append the six digit code to
>>>>>>>>>> the end of
>>>>>>>>>> your password.
>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionarie
>>>>>>>>>> s...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Another one related to the new Apple ID password.
>>>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>> signing out and then signing back into iTunes and
>>>>>>>>>> iCloud with
>>>>>>>>>> the new Apple ID password on the Mac and iPhone, I am
>>>>>>>>>> unable to
>>>>>>>>>> get home sharing to turn on again on the ATV 3rd. The
>>>>>>>>>> message I
>>>>>>>>>> get is that the ID and password do not match. On the
>>>>>>>>>> ATV neither
>>>>>>>>>> iCloud nor iTunes will accept my input.What am I
>>>>>>>>>> overlooking?
>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
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>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
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>>>> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
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