I'm actively working on the accessibility portions of GNU PDF for the GNOME desktop. On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:47 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> Linux has the same issue if users choose to use the Acrobat Reader and I > think at the moment, Adobe's product is the only accessible PDF reader. > Although i think efforts are being made to make more of the open source PDF > readers accessible. > > TC > james > On 31 Jan 2010, at 13:56, Jess wrote: > >> I find it absolutely shady that Adobe still insists that people download and >> use their stuff. To bad Windows doesn't run things in a sandbox, like the >> mac does. That way, users would be aware, oh my gosh, adobe is trying to >> install something else on my pc, let me just click this button that tells >> this crap to go away. >> I can't tell you how many times the adobe updater has popped up >> demanding that I update to the latest revision of Acrobat pdf reader. IF >> only there was that glorious little checkbox to not bug me about this >> anymore! I always have to click remind me later. And what does it do? It >> takes my request, files it away, and reminds me the next time I open it up >> and try to read a pdf file. >> Shady company indeed. >> >> On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> And it blows my mind how they've been able to get everyone to conform. I >>> just don't get it at all. I mean, for most people, they need Acrobat Reader >>> in order to read PDF documents on a PC. Acrobat Reader has been treated by >>> Adobe, not so much as a way to make the documents that their professional >>> tools produce to be read for free, but as a vector to get as much of their >>> stuff as possible on to your PC. You want to read PDF files? Well, of >>> course that means that you'd also like us to install plug ins for >>> everything from ebook management to real-time spell checking of PDFs. Also, >>> just in case you need it, how about we install stuff to help you produce >>> PDFs through adobe.com? And since all of this stuff that we just added, >>> that you didn't ask for, is always having security problems, how about we >>> install this updater software that will run in the background and >>> constantly nag you to update all of the bits that you didn't request in the >>> first place. And, hey, while we're updating, how about we install some >>> other stuff that you didn't request and don't want. I don't know how IT >>> departments haven't banned Acrobat Reader as a security risk. It seems that >>> way to me. >>> >>> And, when it comes down to its core function, you know, reading PDF files, >>> Acrobat Reader is horribly slow at that task. I used to think that PDFs >>> must be this big bloated document format, but I've realized in the past few >>> years that PDFs aren't the problem, the problem is Acrobat Reader. Other >>> PDF reading tools are quite snappy. Its unfortunate for Windows users that >>> Acrobat Reader is the only reading tool that is both accessible, and is >>> blessed by Adobe with access to encrypted/secured PDF files. I know there >>> are converters and other accessible readers, but those won't work if the >>> file is secured or encrypted. >>> >>> Adobe reminds me of Real Networks. Do any of you remember Real Player? >>> That's how we used to stream audio and video before Flash. Of course, >>> hardly anyone uses the Real Player formats or player any longer. The big >>> reason for that is they took the fact that so many people installed their >>> software as an opportunity to bundle all sorts of crapware with it. I >>> suppose Adobe is better, since they aren't including Google and Yahoo >>> toolbars, 50 free MP3s from EMusic.com, Weather Bug, a free trial of Mcafee >>> Security Suite, and $10 off at Amazon.com on your next purchase of $30 or >>> more, but they're still including lots of unnecessary and bloated extras >>> that run slowly and are infested with security problems. >>> >>> And people continue to use their stuff why? They seem like a shady company, >>> far from professional, and their practices say to me that they don't >>> respect or value their customers. >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader >>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:05 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: apple and adobe zeitgeist fallout >>> >>> For years, Adobe's behavior has been a paradox wrapped in an enigma and >>> coded with deep encryption. >>> On Jan 30, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: >>> >>>> Yes you are right, some of apple's stuff is also still carbon, but i >>>> remember somewhere saying adobe didn't want to jump the coco bandwagon. >>>> Why is what i am looking for. >>>> >>>> best >>>> >>>> Yuma >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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