Hi Janina, The difference between Steve Jobs and now is that Jobs was a genius who was truly innovative. That doesn't mean that what he did was for everyone, but it was a lot cooler than the stuff Apple's coming out with lately. I get that some of that is due to the fact that we seem to have hit sort of a technology plateau, but I still think the point is valid. Cheers, Donna
> On Sep 1, 2018, at 1:12 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > This has been the eternal knock against Apple, whether it comes from > accessibility or somewhere else in the user community. > > The prevailing ethos at 1 Infinite Loop is: "We know what you need > better than you do." That was Steve Jobbs for you, and the ethos still > persists. > > I'm not saying here anything I hhaven't publically said elsewhere many > times. For better and for worse, Apple keeps a very tight rein on its > products from hardware design, to firmware, to OS design, and on to apps > and the U-I. > > If you want flexibility, Apple isn't for you. It never really has been. > They just managed to build a really compelling blind friendly phone when > no one else was doing so. And for that little service the blind > community committed its undyeing loyality. Well, that was then and this > is now. It's reasonable to ask: "What have you done for me lately?" > > Janina > > > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes: >> You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated with >> Apple. I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would include an >> option for a faster iPhone 8. Face ID sucks. It takes significantly longer >> to unlock your phone, and is much more finicky. I'm feeling resentful that >> Apple is trying to force me into a technology that I have tried, and do not >> like. I don't want Face ID. I don't need a ginormous screen. I sure as >> h*** don't need three cameras. I'm starting to wonder if my next phone will >> be a cheapy that makes calls and texts, and I do the rest from my Mac. I >> don't want some giant tech company to dictate how I will use technology. If >> Apple wants to continue to promote face recognition to the exclusion of more >> convenient technologies, that's their prerogative. But they should have >> kept a touch option available for those of us who tried face ID and know it >> sucks. And as for the new flick up for home? It sucks, too. Being able to >> quickly press a home button--be it actual or virtual--was much more >> efficient. My only power--small though it may be--is my purchasing power. >> And I am really wondering if my next phone will be a non-Apple product. >> >> I know this is only tangentially related to the start-up chime, but I feel >> it's all part of the same thing. Why not leave the chime enabled, or at >> least make it an option for those who want it? Why should Apple be deciding >> this for us? They seem to want to make an argument that they are not >> big-brotherish, but actually, they're no better than the rest. >> Donna >> >>> On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:51 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Stupid that they removed it. >>> >>> On 8/31/18, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>>> Hi shaun, >>>> >>>> Yeah the line in the web page details that say: >>>> Feature removed by apple on latest firmware, doesn't work anymore.” >>>> Kind of says to me that this doesn’t work anymore. >>>> >>>> Oh well, other people can keep trying. >>>> >>>> From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 6:03 PM >>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes >>>> >>>> There is no proof that this command works. I've heard from experts that it >>>> doesn't but go ahead and try it yourself. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Shawn, >>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air >>>> >>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se<mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> Found this link. >>>> https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-new-macbook-pros.2011044/ >>>> Try that and see if it helps. >>>> /A >>>> >>>> 29 aug. 2018 kl. 11:32 skrev Simon Fogarty >>>> <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>: >>>> >>>> Hi Listers >>>> >>>> Ok so I'm kind of getting hacked off with the fact my new work Mac Book >>>> Pro >>>> doesn't do the start up chimes that Apple / mac computers have done since >>>> long before I started using Mac products. >>>> >>>> I've got VO starting at log in but when for some reason I need to force >>>> restart for some unknown reason, if I use the power button to turn off / on >>>> the machine I never know when it's restarting until it starts talking to >>>> me, >>>> If I'm lucky enough for vo to still be talking.I know this effects us all, >>>> But have we ever or has anyone ever contacted Apple accessibility to >>>> explain >>>> that this chime at start up would be really useful to us the sight impaired >>>> to know when / if our machines are starting up >>>> Or do in my case I just keep thinking the batteries dead and put it on >>>> mains >>>> power when I don't need to. >>>> >>>> Any thoughts appreciated. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Slightly P'd off mac book pro user. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>>> or >>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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