Hi Donna.
My friend from the IRC network want me to do the following, Reve up screen 
recording, and let you hear what i hear.
He says that somethings have been changed, he is the kind of guy who can take 
your iPhone, and make it blast at 200 percent, volume just because he knows 
which file to manipulate.
You say you changed between turn by turn , and overview, what exactly, did you 
do too change the view?
On iOS 10 i believe i get turn by turn automatically, on iOS 11, at least on my 
iPad, i get something else.
I am going to send you the video privately, no reason to spam the whole list 
with a huge file.

Regarding males unwilling to ask for help, Toyota Denmark, have a webpage for 
helpless males, so they can learn to “feel” more clever when they talk about 
cars...
Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Oct 2017, at 00.31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandie,
> 
> It's pretty obvious to everyone that he is lost. :)  And we have similar 
> jokes here.  Lots of jokes about men getting lost and being unwilling to ask 
> for directions.  At least mine uses a GPS. lol
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2017, at 6:16 AM, sandi sørensen <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, i need to know, is it him who thinks he is lost, or You?
>> In aviation, we call that Spacial disorientation.
>> If i am anywhere, it being airplane, or car, the gps is the first i turn on 
>> and certainly the last thing that i turn off.
>> As for males getting lost, in Denmark we have a saying , we gals have to be 
>> strong, we need to rescue the poor males, constantly, if yall ask me its 
>> kinda endearing...
>> Sandie
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 16 Oct 2017, at 12.42, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandie,
>>> 
>>> My husband feels your pain.  There are days when I think he could get lost 
>>> in the back yard. lol
>>> 
>>> I would think that you would see the same thing on an iPad, though I don't 
>>> have one, so don't know for sure.  I had fewer problems this weekend while 
>>> I was in St. Louis, but that may be because it's a larger city than where I 
>>> live.  I'll be curious to see what happens now that I'm back home.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for checking with your friend about rolling back to IOS 10.  I'll be 
>>> curious to hear what you learn.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 16, 2017, at 4:00 AM, sandi sørensen <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna, well, putting it honestly, a lot of things i can do quite 
>>>> swimmingly, but I’m a total airhead when it comes to orientating my self 
>>>> with out a GPS, so, yaaaah, i kinda need it.
>>>> I wonder though, if i go out in Bf.s car and use the iPad for navigating, 
>>>> should i not see the same in maps as you might on the iPhone?
>>>> The iPad is updated too iOS 11.
>>>> According to a friend on Freenode, it should be possible for you to roll 
>>>> back too a previous version, the man is a total wizard when it comes to I 
>>>> devices, will ask him later today what can be done.
>>>> 
>>>> Best Sandie who have today learned that sometimes starting up airplanes, 
>>>> even if they are not going for a flight, our p51 mustang, decided to be a 
>>>> new type of model, Smokster.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Oct 2017, at 23.24, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, Sandie,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you're very smart for sticking with IOS 10.  Since updating, I'm 
>>>>> seeing slightly better results in Maps, but honestly, I'm wishing I'd 
>>>>> done what you did.  And before anyone goes off on a rant about how people 
>>>>> just can't accept change, won't learn new things, blah, blah, blah, I'm 
>>>>> quite receptive to new operating systems.  I just don't think IOS 11 is 
>>>>> an improvement in any way, shape or form.
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 5:27 AM, sandi sørensen <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do we know if an IPad with IOS 11 have turn by turn, finding a Gf with a 
>>>>>> car is workable, but i dont have an IPhone with IOS 11, and not even for 
>>>>>>  yall am i going to update mine to IOS 11.
>>>>>> Donna says her self she changes between overview and turn by turn, so 
>>>>>> okay her focus might change, but this is plane weird.
>>>>>> I wanna find out what goes on,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 Oct 2017, at 12.20, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Sandie,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m glad to hear that you have never seen such behavior in maps, it 
>>>>>>> gives me hope that my problem might be solvable someday. :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That was what really weirded me out. Having it on turn by turn didn’t 
>>>>>>> help. I’m about to install the update to 1103, so hopefully that will 
>>>>>>> fix the problem. If not I’ll try what Mark suggested.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 3:45 AM, sandi sørensen <sandi1...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Donna, maybe this is a really stupid question, but, if , for example 
>>>>>>>> you are in a car, your husband is driving , why, not just have it on 
>>>>>>>> turn by turn? I realize this does not solve your problem, but might it 
>>>>>>>> work for the time you are traveling?
>>>>>>>> I have absolutely never ever heard about such behavior in maps, and i 
>>>>>>>> use it , lots...
>>>>>>>> Sandie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 14 Oct 2017, at 01.41, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Yeah that’s weird,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I must admit I’m not impressed by maps on my 7+,
>>>>>>>>> But tha’ts more to do with the constant refreshing of the screen that 
>>>>>>>>> seems to be happening when I open the app.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I don’t use it when I’m home  as I know my city without the need to 
>>>>>>>>> use maps or get directions.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> But it’s usefull when travelling and currently checking it out it’s 
>>>>>>>>> constantly refreshing and not letting me make the setting changes I 
>>>>>>>>> want to put in.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Guess I’ll keep playing for now.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 10:53 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maps is positively useless under iOS 11.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I’m running on an iPhone 7, Simon.
>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What model of phone is it we’re talking about things working or not 
>>>>>>>>> working on?
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Is it working better on a 7 or 6 etc,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Full info here folks might help with correcting the issues.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of sandi sørensen
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 3:15 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maps is positively useless under iOS 11.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Have just used Maps on a IOS 11 IPhone,
>>>>>>>>> Not one single problem.
>>>>>>>>> I wonder what she  do wrong?
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 13 Oct 2017, at 15.57, Scott Berry <sb356...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You guys complain about these things but never report.  Report these 
>>>>>>>>> to:
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/feedback
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Or if they are truly accessibility issues you can report them to:
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> accessibil...@apple.com.  Complaining on the list isn’t going to get 
>>>>>>>>> any where.  Apple isn’t a mind reader and this is the end of what I 
>>>>>>>>> say so if your commenting plan on it being deleted becausee I am 
>>>>>>>>> frustrated with the fact that I’ve provided this link before and the 
>>>>>>>>> same results seem to be happening you don’t report the bugs so they 
>>>>>>>>> can’t get fixed.  Even though some of us may be beta testers not all 
>>>>>>>>> of us happen to run in to the same problems that the general public 
>>>>>>>>> have and moaning and groaning just isn’t going to solve the issue.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> What are you finding wrong with it just out of curiosity?  I think it 
>>>>>>>>> would be nice if you could stop it from constantly moving whenever 
>>>>>>>>> the directions pop up, sense it constantly causes the screen to also 
>>>>>>>>> refresh, which makes multitasking next to impossible.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Taylor Arndt <taylorarnd...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’ve had it too and this is why our use Google maps?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK, I’ve absolutely had it with Maps under iOS 11. This thing is so 
>>>>>>>>> broken and useless that I can’t believe Apple even calls it an app. I 
>>>>>>>>> thought I saw something a while back about rolling back to iOS 10. If 
>>>>>>>>> anyone has that information could you repost it, or send it to me 
>>>>>>>>> privately?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Donna Sent from my iPhoune
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