depends on what features you want. My room mate has an android phone (its a samsung) and it has accessibility. it also cost him about $300 without contract or financing. sure, its not a galaxy note or other high end device, but for what it can do, its good enough. now, as it is, I am paying off a recent acquisition of an iPhone 7 plus. I didn't get much of a choice as my iPhone 6 popped the battery (more like exploded). so, I am not in the larker for anything for the the foreseeable future. btw, that phone that the room mate has seems to have been discontinued last year. so no luck getting that model.
-eric On Sep 13, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Robin wrote: > If you are referring to Samsung's Android Devices, They aren't as Cheap or > InExpenssive simply $100 or $150 Lower Than Apple's iPhones, & I'm > specifically referring to the High End Premium Galaxy S Series & Galaxy Note > Series of Android Devices > At 01:34 PM 9/13/2017, you wrote: >> there is one additional issue: what happens if VO is not turned on? how are >> you supposed to know that your face is on screen? I am totally blind and >> even with VO turned on and the camera aimed at my face, I can never get it >> centered. so, facial recognition might not be a disable thing for me. >> >> Anyway, outside of that, I am not sure that the $1k price tag will make the >> iPhone worth it. I have a 7 plus now and its going to take me 3 years to pay >> it off. Also, given some of Apple's intentions of late with regard to DRM, >> security, right to repair, etc, I am starting to lean toward getting an >> android phone with similar capabilities and about 1/3rd the cost. I don't >> want to have to do this, but if Apple doesn't start doing things in a more >> reasonable fashion, I will be left with no other choice. >> >> -eric >> >> On Sep 12, 2017, at 11:05 PM, E.T. wrote: >> >> > All done with Gestures. >> > >> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >> > "God for you is where you sweep away all the >> > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >> > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >> > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> > >> > On 9/12/2017 11:03 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries wrote: >> >> Also without a home button I wonder how we'll start/stop VO, use the >> >> app switcher and get to home. Probably using the app switcher and >> >> going home could be done with gestures but what about >> >> starting/quitting VO...? >> >> Catherine >> >> On 9/13/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >>> Interesting, >> >>> >> >>> Samsung have a full screen no buttons face recognition and a finger print >> >>> sensor. >> >>> >> >>> Why can’t apple do that also. >> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017 3:40 PM >> >>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; >> >>> viph...@googlegroups.com >> >>> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and hhere’s why >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here ™s why >> >>> Ars Technica / Ron Amadeo >> >>> >> >>> [Image removed by sender.] >> >>> Enlarge<https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg> >> >>> / >> >>> This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks. >> >>> >> >>> The all-new iPhone >> >>> X<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/> >> >>> is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed >> >>> with >> >>> is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for >> >>> a >> >>> nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front >> >>> Touch >> >>> ID sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on the back, like many >> >>> phones have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID entirely. Instead, >> >>> the X is relying only on the new "Face ID" facial recognition feature for >> >>> biometric security. >> >>> Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts >> >>> your >> >>> face with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D. Apple >> >>> says this can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone. >> >>> >> >>> None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck. >> >>> >> >>> This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition >> >>> feature, >> >>> and they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or >> >>> accurate >> >>> Face ID is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your >> >>> face. >> >>> This is slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint >> >>> reader, >> >>> which doesn't have to be aimed at anything. >> >>> >> >>> Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good, >> >>> you'll >> >>> stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so your finger lands on >> >>> the fingerprint reader. Touch ID works as both an "on" button and an >> >>> "authentication" button. In one touch, you've turned on the phone and >> >>> logged >> >>> in. You haven't even fully taken the phone out of your pocket yet, and >> >>> it's >> >>> already on and unlocked. By the time you bring the phone to your face, >> >>> the >> >>> unlock process is finished and you're looking at the home screen. >> >>> >> >>> To use the iPhone X's Face ID, you have take the phone out of your >> >>> pocket, >> >>> lift it up to your face, swipe up to turn it on, and only then can can >> >>> you >> >>> start the unlock process. The difference is probably one or two seconds, >> >>> but >> >>> for something you do 80 times a >> >>> day<https://techpinions.com/apples-penchant-for-consumer-security/45122>, >> >>> having the fastest possible unlock system really matters. >> >>> [Image removed by sender.] >> >>> Hardware involved in Apple's True Depth Camera system. >> >>> [Image removed by sender.] >> >>> Example of how Face ID maps and learns your face. >> >>> [Image removed by sender.] >> >>> Demo of Face ID setup. >> >>> [Image removed by sender.] >> >>> Animojis, which move to mimic your facial expressions. >> >>> [Image removed by sender.] >> >>> 3D mask produced with facial recognition on the iPhone X. >> >>> [Image removed by sender.] >> >>> Face ID recognition along with a tap of the side button can authenticate >> >>> Apple Pay. >> >>> >> >>> Consider authenticating with Apple Pay. With a fingerprint reader, you >> >>> can >> >>> slam your iPhone on the credit card terminal while holding your finger on >> >>> the Touch ID button, and everything will just work. You're continuously >> >>> authenticating and beaming credit card data at the same time, which is >> >>> easy, >> >>> intuitive, and hard to mess up. According to Craig Federighi's Face ID >> >>> demo >> >>> during the keynote, you now have to open up Apple Pay first, then aim the >> >>> phone at your face so Face ID can work. Only then can you tap against the >> >>> credit card terminal. That's two extra steps. >> >>> >> >>> A fingerprint sensor, because it works by touch, is basically active all >> >>> the >> >>> time. Anytime you need it, you just press it, and it will work. Facial >> >>> recognition has to be specifically started by an app though. So to >> >>> authenticate a payment, you now have to open Apple Pay first, because >> >>> something has to tell the facial recognition system to turn on. If you >> >>> ignore this and just put the phone against a credit card terminal without >> >>> authenticating, I suspect Apple Pay will open and ask for a Face ID scan, >> >>> which won't work because the phone won't be aimed at your face. >> >>> >> >>> There's also the "on a table" use case: where before you could just press >> >>> the home button to unlock the phone, now you'll need to pick it up and, >> >>> again, aim it at your face. >> >>> We've kind of already experienced this with the Galaxy >> >>> S8<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsung-galaxy-s8-review-shiny-new-hardware-meets-old-software-habits/> >> >>> (and Note >> >>> 8<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/hands-on-with-the-galaxy-note8-havent-we-seen-this-before/>). >> >>> On that phone, Samsung didn't do away with the fingerprint sensor >> >>> entirely, >> >>> but it has such an awkward size and >> >>> location<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsung-galaxy-s8-review-shiny-new-hardware-meets-old-software-habits/3/#h1> >> >>> that the S8 might as well have not had a fingerprint sensor at all. The >> >>> phone design asks users to rely on its Iris or face recognition for >> >>> biometrics, and it's just so slow. The "Let me take a selfie" pose that >> >>> you >> >>> have to make every time you unlock the phone is slow, tiring, and >> >>> annoying. >> >>> It requires a pause and a level of precision that just isn't needed with >> >>> a >> >>> fingerprint reader. >> >>> >> >>> I will admit I have not tried Face ID yet, but it's hard to imagine a >> >>> facial >> >>> recognition system that solves the problem of having to carefully aim a >> >>> phone at your face. We won't get a chance to try many of these scenarios >> >>> until we get some extended time with the phone, but it would take some >> >>> serious magic to solve them. >> >>> >> >>> With a nearly $1000 price tag, Apple is billing the iPhone X as its >> >>> super-high-end, no-compromise phone, but the lack of a fingerprint >> >>> sensor is >> >>> going to be a big downside. Sure, there's no room on the front anymore, >> >>> but >> >>> plenty of phones have an easy and ergonomic rear fingerprint reader, and >> >>> it's something Apple could have done while it waits for that mythical >> >>> under-screen fingerprint >> >>> technology<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/qualcomm-vivo-show-off-slow-but-convenient-under-display-fingerprint-sensor/> >> >>> to work. >> >>> >> >>> Facial recognition is just not a good idea for a device that doesn't >> >>> always >> >>> need to be aimed directly at your face. I can't imagine Face ID won't >> >>> feel >> >>> like a big step backwards compared to Touch ID. 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