So we go back to what I said earlier. We share the same universe, so
we just learn to co-exist. Its a simple concept for the most part.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 8/9/2017 1:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
Just to add to this,
Handing a sighted person a blindfold to let them experience what being blind
is like is fine and lets them wear a blindfold and walk in to stuff. However
they take the blind fold off and what they just did disappears from their
memorys.
I can't get my sighted work colleagues of which there are 12 immediate to use
voiceover or jaws for windows machines.
Yet if they want assistance with a mac or IOS issue they can't figure out
I'm the one that gets the call.
Wearing a blind fold is crap as they can take it off
It might make the warer feel good about themselves but they can't understand
the real life changes that may need to be made to live without sight.
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On Behalf Of E.T.
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Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Kawal,
That is a novel idea. Hand a sighted person the blindfold and then?
It does not work.
You are looking in the wrong place. I know someone who was born blind and
he has absolutely no idea what the sighted world is like. All that matters to
him is that he knows how to co-exist in it.
Like you said the other day... A single tap for "them" is a double tap for
us. What more do you want?
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 8/7/2017 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
One thing I will say about this, we have been talking from all prospectives
about using the I phone etc.
As many of you know, I work and serve the blind community in my professional
capacity. There is a project called Online today, and they go in to people's
homes and teach people how to use access Technology. The organisation that I
work for are in the business of trying to rebuild people's lives again. So
it's not always about blind users needing to understand the sighted world.
Sometimes it's about the sighted needing to know how to live in the blind world.
I don't think people have any right to assume that I have been missing
something on the use of these devices but rather that I wanted to know both
sides of the coin. If I had time i would install the beta but as it is, I
don't and only have time on and off to read the e-mails on this list due to my
work load. I can go without weeks reading e-mails and most of the time I end
up deleting a lot of stuff just to keep up with what's is going on.
Some times I wonder what is the point of me being on this list but I try to
keep up as much as possible. I have every intention of getting the next I
phone 8. I don't often read manuals but play with devices and learn that way
as I am rather more of a hands on person and only read manuals as a last
resort. I'd much rather hear a demo of how the device was being used. Some of
you will remember me using the Window phones and I never read the manuals, it
was listening to podcasts that helped me get to know the devices so well.
At least I have read your comments and thanks for those.
Kawal.
On 7 Aug 2017, at 17:50, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
Totally agree with these points. The more perspective we hav on how sighted do
things the better we are in competing in their competitive world.
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Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and I
totally disagree with you.
These articles are critical because there isn’t that much of a difference
between our use cases and the sited community. Apple doesn’t view us as a
totally different group. We’re not shielded from the visual in their design.
As you know the IOS or OS X usage model gives we blind users a better idea of
what’s physically on the screen, object placement and the GUI in general.
Unlike a JFW where the screens are totally repackaged in to a more list form
interface Voice Over sticks more to the actual screen format and doesn’t shield
me from items that many screen readers do.
Next, I don’t live in a vacuum of only blind people. I’m just as
interested in one method of doing things as another as I have to support sited
people.
I think fragmenting us even further like that only serves to harm us as in all
things, if you’re not interested use your delete key or build appropriate
filters but I think a lot of us on list are very interested in this sort of
article. I’m very interested in new features. Good thing with Apple is a new
feature is a new feature, it’s not a new feature for the blind or a new sited
feature, it’s just a feature. Voice Over in Apple’s world is just a feature to
be developed like all others. I like that model.
On Aug 6, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
Hello Mark.
Thanks for posting these articles. However, I'd prefer to know what is going
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted
person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in the
sighted way. I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over. So all
these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these things
with voice over. After all this is a list for blind users. If I wanted to
know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then I could find
that out in other ways. I'm sorry but these articles in my opinion do not
belong on a blindness list like this. Many others will say other wise but I am
a blind user using voice over and not a blind person using my phone in the
sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use the phone in the main
stream kind of way.
I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand,
what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all this.
No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I
will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I
phone as a sighted person can.
Kawal.
On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS
11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know
just what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest
Apple has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle
tweaks, but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly
take some getting used to.
Notification Center is no more
Jason Cipriani/CNET
Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that
now it's called Cover Sheet.
Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works
in the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take
action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch
the camera or view your Today panel.
Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and
Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced the
iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure sensitive
screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly switch between
apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you
want. It's simply not going to work.
Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
Jason Cipriani/CNET
Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled
iOS 11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has
it too; albeit in very limited situations.
In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album
instead of tapping around.
Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts
to hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag
the photo to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want. Neat,
right?
NFC is open for all
An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with
the release of iOS 11.
Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC
capabilities instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will undoubtedly
see the option to scan NFC tags to view more information about a
product or connect to gym equipment, for example.
The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon
Marketplace) and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).
Control Center is brand new. again
Jason Cipriani/CNET
When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to
view Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel
approach of iOS 10 is gone.
Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can
hard press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove items
from Control Center through the Settings app.
App Store has a fresh coat of paint
Sarah Tew/CNET
A long overdue change to the App Store is coming. With a more
visually appealing, interactive design, the App Store looks nothing like it
used to.
The new design will highlight new apps and developers and looks a lot
like Apple Music. Only instead of songs and artists, it's games and apps.
Speaking of which, Apple has finally separated the two categories
into their own respective sections.
Screenshot tool is awesome
Jason Cipriani/CNET
The process of taking a screenshot, editing and then sharing it is
getting streamlined.
With iOS 11 installed, when you take a screenshot a small preview
thumbnail will show up in the bottom-left corner. Tap on it to
markup, crop, edit, delete or share.
Original Article at:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/drastic-changes-coming-to-your-iphone-wit
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