Hi E. Tea, I'm not concerned about how people spend their money. I am concerned, however for the people who can't afford these devices, and there are a lot of them. But a literacy is important, but many people don't have that opportunity because of the cost of these devices. That's the only point I'm trying to make here. Anybody can buy whatever they want.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2017, at 2:35 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Competition is necessary. If it were not for that, a company would have no > incentive for developing the best product. > > Do you think a blind user would spend more for a used product that has no > warranty? Its caveat emptor and when you are talking a couple thousand, that > is not a wise investment. > > Now, Les, you have many choices. But why are you concerned about what > someone else may consider a wise investment anyway? Its not your money after > all. (smiles) > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . > "God for you is where you sweep away all the > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com > >> On 7/24/2017 9:28 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> Donna, my point about the market is that it’s small to begin with. And >> now you have two companies competing for market share, so the price >> could not possibly come down. And if you happen to have a device for >> trade-in, these companies won’t give you fair market value. I bought a >> BrailleSense and if I want to trade it in, I’ll get about one third of >> my original price. So we as consumers are better off to sell on our >> own, assuming that can be accomplished. As for your comment on >> upgrading the Mac, unless you buy a top-of-the-line unit, you won’t >> spend anywhere close to $4000 to $5500. I understand the market >> difference, I’m just referencing the facts. If one has the money to >> spend or has backing, then go for whatever you wish to purchase. I’m >> just concerned about the price of braille notetakers, that’s all. >> >> >> >> Les >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> *From: *Donna Goodin <mailto:doniado...@me.com> >> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 12:19 PM >> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject: *Re: Refreshable Braille devices? >> >> >> >> I agree they are expensive, but ET's points about the size of the market >> are good ones. What you get for your money is the option to have >> braille, which for some of us is very important. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Donna >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com >> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Mary, >> >> In my opinion, all the no takers including the ultra or overpriced. >> The ultra the last time I checked for the 40 so my will cost her >> about $4000. Not worth it in my opinion for what you get. Anybody >> who buys a blind is no taking device is really paying premium for it. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> If you don't want the full blown capability of a very expensive >> blindness note taker, such as the new Polaris, you might >> consider the varrio ultra. That has the ability to transfer >> files with a USB stick. And it also has note taking capability. >> It has an excellent warranty. Some people also find it more >> complicated than the traditional regular braille displays such >> as the edge. They do have excellent US customer support, as well >> as an online manual, and an active helpful email list. This >> display comes in 20 or 40 sell links. It has a text reader, word >> processor, PDF reader, spreadsheet viewer and others. What it >> does not have our things like the ability to fetch email or >> connect to the Internet. That is where you would need the full >> note taker, but then you're also going to be paying a whole lot >> more. And if you're good with your iPhone and your Mac, really, >> who needs that? >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jul 24, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Caitlyn Furness >> <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Personally, I love any of the Hims devices, so these are >> things like the new polaris and the U2, braille sense line >> of products. The braille is nice and crisp, and the devices >> themselves are just very well made. >> >> >> >> I can’t speak about anything made by humanware except the >> brilliant, but that’s a full sized display and doesn’t have >> the capability to store files, just access what’s on the >> computer when you are hooked up to it. >> >> >> >> I think the braille edge from Hims also works somewhat like >> a braille note taker, but am not sure on that. >> >> >> >> I’ve had no troubles getting files from the mac onto the >> braille sense. when I attach it to my mac with a USB cable, >> the device comes up like any other drive, and I can copy and >> paste things from one to the other, although it takes a long >> time. Of course, you can also use a usb stick to transfer >> files, or the sd card. >> >> >> >> HTH, and I’ll be interested to see what others have to say >> on this as well! >> >> >> >> Cait >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Amelia Sackville >> McLauchlan <phantom.va...@gmail.com >> <mailto:phantom.va...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all! >> >> >> >> So am looking for some advice/guidance before I go out >> and start applying for assistive tech grant money. I >> used to use the BrailleNote, but mine died a long time >> ago. And even before it did, I was starting to run into >> compatibility issues between it, the program I used to >> transfer files to my old computer (a PC in those days), >> and the computer itself. Plus, of course, I've since >> switched to Mac, which I don't think my BrailleNote was >> compatible with anyway. So now I'm without a Braille >> device! But I really want to get another one. What's >> compatible with Mac, though? >> >> >> >> Basically, what I'm looking for would be a portable, >> refreshable Braille device that I can easily transfer >> files to from my computer and back. Because, although I >> might use it for writing sometimes, what I'd mainly be >> using it for is reading. For example, I'd use it to >> read my papers when I present at conferences, or my >> poetry/fiction at reading events. Though, I might use >> it for private reading too. So are there devices in the >> Mac compatible world that will allow me to do that? >> >> >> >> Anyway, thanks. :-) I figured that, if anyone would >> know, it'd be folks here! >> >> www.phantomfemme.com <http://www.phantomfemme.com/> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members >> of the Mac Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running >> of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is >> inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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