Ah, T3. How I used to drool over those speeds--beyond the range of the possible, and why would you ever need that much as a single user? <grin> And, here today's it's barely qualifying as broadband speed!
I hear you about open peering, but would you want your Netflicks stream to come across that way? After all, the Internet's fundamental design predicates asyncronous packet switching--kind of a problem where steady throughput is a primary requirement. Scott Granados writes: > I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). > Seems like another life time ago. Another thing I remember vividly about > UUNet was when they went from an open peering network to very closed and > depeered with everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open > peering guy myself but that’s me. > > People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at > someone who will be open to peering. > > > > On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet > > with my local access number for uu.net! > > > > I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip > > to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I > > couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that, > > I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case. > > > > Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator > > plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some > > reason. > > > > I didn't see the article you mention about mac addresses, but they're > > certainly spoofable. I have a Netgear 24 port switch around here > > somewhere that supports spoofing mac addresses. As far as I'm aware, > > though, none of mine are spoofed. > > > > We are now past the day of IPv4 exhaustion, though: > > > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/us-exhausts-new-ipv4-addresses-waitlist-begins/ > > > > Janina > > > > > > Jonathan Cohn writes: > >> Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ > >> was in the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in > >> 1999 / 2000 after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? > >> Because Verizon bought WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent > >> accounting was exposed. Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in > >> Northern Virginia still does not have IPv6 capabilities. > >> > >> Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in > >> MacOS are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing > >> connections? Is this standard practice now for IPv6? > >> > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Jonathan Cohn > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, Scott: > >>> > >>> Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me > >>> hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I > >>> recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern > >>> Virginia. > >>> > >>> What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline > >>> or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find > >>> out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer > >>> have that link. > >>> > >>> I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though: > >>> > >>> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1 > >>> > >>> So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the > >>> 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs > >>> under Settings. > >>> > >>> Janina > >>> > >>> Scott Granados writes: > >>>> Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ. This looks somewhat out > >>>> of date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ. > >>>> > >>>> https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 > >>>> <https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6> > >>>> > >>>> Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the > >>>> wireless network. Talk about taking your sweet time! Thanks for the > >>>> T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have > >>>> several data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you again > >>>> > >>>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on > >>>>> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout? > >>>>> > >>>>> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the > >>>>> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On > >>>>> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions > >>>>> in this old page: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in > >>>>> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity > >>>>> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my > >>>>> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and > >>>>> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly > >>>>> smooth for me. > >>>>> > >>>>> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again, > >>>>> I'm starting with HE. > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina > >>>>> > >>>>> Scott Granados writes: > >>>>>> FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now. It’s not in my area yet but it is > >>>>>> under way. There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, > >>>>>> luckily mine is one of the models that does. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with > >>>>>> Hurricane electric but there are many options. Hurricane electric was > >>>>>> nice because they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one > >>>>>> closest to me to use. You’re right though, nothing beats native V6. > >>>>>> To me though, the Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 > >>>>>> native access. But just to clarify there is a roll out under way. > >>>>>> Also, the VZW network should also be V6 ready, we were using V6 back > >>>>>> in 2013 so I assume it’s made it to the consumer by now. T-Mobile > >>>>>> doesn’t seem to have it in place yet but it seems in the cards looking > >>>>>> at the settings they have available in their hotspots. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi, Mary: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy. > >>>>>>> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up > >>>>>>> moving > >>>>>>> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason. > >>>>>>> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll > >>>>>>> out > >>>>>>> plan yet, last I looked. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my > >>>>>>> desk. A > >>>>>>> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT. > >>>>>>> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker. > >>>>>>> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. > >>>>>>> And, > >>>>>>> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks > >>>>>>> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to > >>>>>>> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different > >>>>>>> viewpoint now. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Just my two cents (American). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Janina > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mary Otten writes: > >>>>>>>> I am jealous of you people with Fios. > >>>>>>>> Mary > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados > >>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of > >>>>>>>>> the WRT routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band > >>>>>>>>> wagon once Cisco bought them. This is a huge issue in Cisco gear > >>>>>>>>> and has been for their entire life. They are known for not > >>>>>>>>> providing wire speed solutions. I would be hesitant to try one on > >>>>>>>>> my 500 megabit service but even an airport doesn’t quite saturate > >>>>>>>>> that link. I use the provided ActionTech router that FIOS offers > >>>>>>>>> and then use the airports as access points only. I’ve never gotten > >>>>>>>>> a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably and > >>>>>>>>> that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even > >>>>>>>>> further. I’m hoping though this may have changed because in > >>>>>>>>> principle I like their gear because you can flash different > >>>>>>>>> firmware on them. DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf > >>>>>>>>>> <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Scott, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I have used four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, > >>>>>>>>>> recommended them nearly wholesale to customers, and never > >>>>>>>>>> experienced any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be > >>>>>>>>>> comparatively slower than trafic taking place on a direct > >>>>>>>>>> connection with no router at all. This may be partly due to the > >>>>>>>>>> fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet is still the gold > >>>>>>>>>> standard of price vs performance in Canada. If we were in any way > >>>>>>>>>> competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more > >>>>>>>>>> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total > >>>>>>>>>> capacity. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Erik > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados > >>>>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices > >>>>>>>>>>> had poor forwarding rates. In other words, they only forward at > >>>>>>>>>>> a third to a half of the line rate. Has this changed in more > >>>>>>>>>>> recent years or does WRT also help to address this with better > >>>>>>>>>>> more optimized software? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>>>>> Scott > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC > >>>>>>>>>>>> as still > >>>>>>>>>>>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not > >>>>>>>>>>>> all that > >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is > >>>>>>>>>>>> fully > >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent > >>>>>>>>>>>> variants. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. > >>>>>>>>>>>> There's some > >>>>>>>>>>>> assembly required, as the old saying goes. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Janina > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kawal Gucukoglu writes: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure > >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm going to do. 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You can reach mark > >>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>> > >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>> --- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > >>> sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net > >>> Email: jan...@rednote.net > >>> > >>> Linux Foundation Fellow > >>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > >>> > >>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > >>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>> Visionaries list. > >>> > >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>> > >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > >>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>> > >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>> --- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >> Visionaries list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > >> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > > sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net > > Email: jan...@rednote.net > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > > Visionaries list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > > or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > > macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - > > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
