Hi, I work with a number of iMacs at work that are from 2016 back to 2011 and a couple that are 2009 I have a mac mini on my desk which is 2012 but I only received in 2014 These machines all still work great but in some cases the OS isn't the latest but it's working fine and gives me or my colleagues the ability to go back to something older if we need it.
You make do with what you've got -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 9:02 AM To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis So what about my I Mac Scott? I think you remember what type of processor and what kind of memory I have, is that too old although it does run with no problems. Do apple say that a late 2012 I Mac and a 2014 MacMini will not able to run new software? I'm not being unreasonable, I'm being practical, as one can't buy a new piece of kit every two or three years depending on one's circumstances. Unlike a person who has a well paid job and who may get a good salary I'd say yes, you could. But for someone who may not have a job or that the job does not keep up-to-date with pay because of a charity or something cannot buy a computer every two or three years. This is what is called practical Scott. > On 28 Oct 2016, at 20:52, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Kawal, it’s not that easy now come on that’s just unreasonable. > > Computers grow old like everything else. That G4 processor your Mac used to > have isn’t usable with new software. The compilers don’t work and it’s just > impractical. During the keynote yesterday they mentioned that the current > MacBook Pro is over 6.5 million times faster than the original MacBook sold. > Not twice as fast, not ten times as fast, 6.5 million times as fast. It’s > just not practical to expect that old hardware is usable for anything other > than a museum piece or boat anchor. > > Using your logic we’d still be jamming punch cards in to Univac just because > it still works. Sorry but no go. > > Here’s a fun fact illustrating my point. Your iPhone has more computing > power than the entire Apollo program did in the history of it’s existence. > In fact, your iPhone has more computer power than existed in the known > universe up through sometime in the early 80s. I personally have turned old > macs in to fish tanks which is about all you can do with some old hardware > and my mother’s basement is a small museum including a PDP-11 and several > high end work stations that today aren’t even worth the power they consume. > It’s just progress. > >> On Oct 28, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> A way of saying, get rid of your computer. Why on earth should one get rid >> of a computer if it's going strong, no need to not let it update. No wonder >> we live in a throw-away society as manufacturers encourage land fills and >> alike for Governments to say that there is no place to build houses etc, >> because we need land to accommodate rubbish and so on. It's manufacturers >> faults that 1: we are getting unhealthier because of bad food that is >> produced. 2: there is not enough space to accommodate the growing >> population because manufacturers are wishing for people to buy new computers >> and so we won't let your computer which is in perfect condition to update >> but we have decided that you need another regardless if you can afford it or >> not. Oh wow. >> >> Kawal. >>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 20:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> It won’t be, nothing changes you do things as you always have. At some >>> point, your computer just won’t receive any more updates. The operating >>> system will eventually not be compatible because it’s to new. Sort of the >>> standard way of things happening. >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> So what will happen for those people who have I Mac and Mac Mini's who >>>> have not changed their computers for a number of years as there will be no >>>> touch bars etc. So how will that be accommodated? I have not listened to >>>> the event as yet. >>>> >>>> Kawal. >>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 19:06, christopher hallsworth >>>>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well you know what? Found out through the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide >>>>> that as part of the new and changed key commands set for VoiceOver under >>>>> macOS Sierra, VO-- (hyphen) will decrease the system volume and vo-= >>>>> (equals) will increase the system volume. Actually, I will correct this >>>>> by saying vo-- (hyphen) is definitely new, but vo-= (equals) is actually >>>>> a changed one from whatever it was before. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 17:21, - <dandun...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple will almost certainly be forced to add yet another keystroke for >>>>>> doing what now is the direct press of a function key, volume for >>>>>> example. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is because when you cram multiple levels of function into a touch >>>>>> bar there has to be a way to choose among levels. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are far far too many pretzel keypresses now without adding more. >>>>>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, gs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I care about access to the function keys in general and not just what >>>>>>> currently happens when one presses Command F5. I use the function keys >>>>>>> for adjusting screen brightness and volume, etc. I wonder how all the >>>>>>> other items currently available via the function keys will be handled? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Brandt Steenkamp >>>>>>> <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There we go, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Triple-tapping power sounds like the most consistent and logical way to >>>>>>> go. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Holding command down and tapping the touch bar also sounds okay, but >>>>>>> not like something apple would do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Contact: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phone: >>>>>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 <tel://+27605259181> For technical >>>>>>> support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 <calto://+27781205013> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp >>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> >>>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 11:21 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IF Apple is truly going for consistancy, I have a feeling I know how >>>>>>>> we will turn on Voice Over with the new touch bar. I don?t know this >>>>>>>> for sure: but, I?d be willing to guess that to turn on Voice Over, >>>>>>>> you simply touch or press the power button three times quickly if >>>>>>>> Voice Over is off. OF course, you might be able to do it with Siri, >>>>>>>> or, here?s another guess: press the command key and anywhere on the >>>>>>>> touch bar. IF voice Over is off, it will know that you are trying to >>>>>>>> turn on Voice Over. My best guess, however, would be to quickly touch >>>>>>>> the power button three times. Makes the most sense and keeps things >>>>>>>> logical and easy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:01 AM, christopher hallsworth >>>>>>>>> <challswor...@icloud.com <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got- >>>>>>>>>> apples-october-2016-event#comment-form >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got >>>>>>>>>> -apples-october-2016-event#comment-form> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event Submitted by >>>>>>>>>> mehgcap on 27 October, 2016 - 16:28 and last modified on 27 >>>>>>>>>> October, 2016 - 19:18 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <editor.png> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.applevis.com/applevis-editorial-team> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Again >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Today, Apple held a press event it called "Hello Again". The company >>>>>>>>>> announced a new accessibility website, a new Apple TV feature, and a >>>>>>>>>> long-awaited update to its MacBook computers. It may have missed the >>>>>>>>>> back-to-school shoppers, but today's announcements arrive just in >>>>>>>>>> time for the holiday shopping frenzy. There are some major changes >>>>>>>>>> to the MacBook line-up on the way, and while much of what you're >>>>>>>>>> about to read is awesome, you may not like all of it. But there's a >>>>>>>>>> great deal to like about the latest offerings from Apple, and I yell >>>>>>>>>> at articles to quit rambling in their intros and get on with it just >>>>>>>>>> as much as you do, so let's get on with it! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Accessibility Kick-Off >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To my surprise, Apple started the presentation with a video >>>>>>>>>> highlighting accessibility features of its products. This led to Tim >>>>>>>>>> Cook's announcing a "whole new website" focused on Apple's >>>>>>>>>> accessibility efforts. As of the time of this writing, we haven't >>>>>>>>>> had a chance to fully explore this new website >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.apple.com/accessibility>, but it's always great to see >>>>>>>>>> the spotlight shown on all the work Apple does to make their devices >>>>>>>>>> as usable, to as many people, as they can. It?s also great to see >>>>>>>>>> that the AppleVis Community is featured on Apple?s new Accessibility >>>>>>>>>> Portal as somewhere people should go to obtain more information and >>>>>>>>>> support. Thank you, Apple! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Get Entertained on Apple TV >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, there's not a new Apple TV coming out, but there is a new way to >>>>>>>>>> find something to watch on the box you already have. It's a new app >>>>>>>>>> from Apple, called--appropriately enough--TV. Yep, just those two >>>>>>>>>> letters. Interestingly, Apple offers this app on not just Apple TV, >>>>>>>>>> but your iOS devices as well, letting you browse and play content on >>>>>>>>>> any of your devices. But what, exactly, does the app do? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TV pulls together any shows or movies you're already watching on >>>>>>>>>> your video apps, as well as offering the next or newest episodes in >>>>>>>>>> TV series. This isn't just iTunes, either; it can work with >>>>>>>>>> ShowTime, CBS, HBO Now, and others, which makes it simple to keep up >>>>>>>>>> with any entertainment you're watching. The app also shows you your >>>>>>>>>> iTunes purchases or new video apps. It can even play content without >>>>>>>>>> you needing to know which app the content is in; tell Siri to play a >>>>>>>>>> particular show or game and that's all you need. But don't get too >>>>>>>>>> excited, because while the app is free, it won't be here until the >>>>>>>>>> end of the year. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Prose about the Pro >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The MacBook Pro was the star of the show today. It got a major >>>>>>>>>> makeover--the first since the 2013 model dropped the disk drive--and >>>>>>>>>> there's a lot of great stuff on and inside it. Yet, there's also a >>>>>>>>>> change you may not like. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Inevitable Updates >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First, the fun part: the updates we all expected, and that Apple >>>>>>>>>> almost had to make. The Pro is now slightly lighter and thinner, >>>>>>>>>> while the battery life remains at ten hours; no surprise there. It's >>>>>>>>>> also adopted the USB-C ports we first saw in the Retina MacBook last >>>>>>>>>> year. The new Pro includes four of them, and any of them can be used >>>>>>>>>> to charge the machine, which is a great touch if your outlet is >>>>>>>>>> opposite the power jack of your Mac. The audio jack, fortunately, >>>>>>>>>> hasn't gone anywhere, so there's no need to worry about getting USB >>>>>>>>>> sound cards or mics plus a bunch of adaptors. Those four USB-C (also >>>>>>>>>> called Thunderbolt 3--same thing) are all the ports you get, though. >>>>>>>>>> No standard USB, no Mini Display, no card reader, and, sadly, no >>>>>>>>>> more MagSafe. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Speaking of audio, the speakers are louder and, Apple claims, sound >>>>>>>>>> better than ever. Oh, and the storage is twice as fast as before, >>>>>>>>>> while the ram has gotten faster, too. Overall, the new Pros are >>>>>>>>>> anywhere from half again to more than twice as fast as the models >>>>>>>>>> they replace, depending on the category (gaming, graphics, or >>>>>>>>>> storage) you're interested in. Between the faster storage and ram, >>>>>>>>>> the better CPUs, and the improved graphics cards, these machines are >>>>>>>>>> powerhouses that manage to be smaller than any Pro to date. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One unexpected bit of news: the trackpad on the Pro is now twice as >>>>>>>>>> large as in previous models, and, of course, uses Taptic feedback to >>>>>>>>>> simulate a click. This lets you click it anywhere, not just on the >>>>>>>>>> bottom, and provides a much better experience with its larger >>>>>>>>>> surface area that can still click when pushed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not at all unexpected is the screen. It is 67% brighter, can show >>>>>>>>>> much better color, and draws even less power than the 2015 MacBook >>>>>>>>>> Pro screen. Yet it is as thin as that of the Retina MacBook, Apple's >>>>>>>>>> smallest computer ever. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Finally, in keeping with the storage trend it started with the >>>>>>>>>> iPhone 7, Apple is upping the base storage for all its Macs. 256GB >>>>>>>>>> is now the minimum for all MacBook models, which is where the Retina >>>>>>>>>> MacBooks have always been. The amount of ram across the line has not >>>>>>>>>> changed, to my knowledge. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> New Magic >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aside from the new ports and altered dimensions, the major new >>>>>>>>>> feature on the Pro models is the removal of the entire top line of >>>>>>>>>> keys. Escape, F1 through F12, and Eject are all gone, replaced by >>>>>>>>>> what amounts to a touch screen. This "Touchbar", as Apple is calling >>>>>>>>>> it, is a multi-touch, retina-quality screen that runs in a strip >>>>>>>>>> along the top of the Mac's keyboard. The Bar offers >>>>>>>>>> context-sensitive controls and suggestions, plus emulates function >>>>>>>>>> keys when necessary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why do this? Apple's reasoning is rather compelling, when you think >>>>>>>>>> about it objectively. What is the top row of keys for most users? >>>>>>>>>> Keys used mostly for media or brightness control. When you aren't >>>>>>>>>> doing those things, those keys are wasted space. Instead of simply >>>>>>>>>> taking them out, Apple has decided to update them. Now, they can be >>>>>>>>>> your media controls in iTunes like normal, but they can also be the >>>>>>>>>> buttons or tools you need at any given moment, in any given >>>>>>>>>> application. In Mail, you have favorite mailboxes, message controls, >>>>>>>>>> and quick actions all available at the top of your keyboard. In >>>>>>>>>> Safari, you have tabs, favorite websites, and more. While typing, >>>>>>>>>> you have QuickType suggestions, just like in iOS. Best of all, you >>>>>>>>>> can customize the bar to show the controls you want, and touch one >>>>>>>>>> key to quickly bring up your standard function keys at any time. >>>>>>>>>> Plus, being a touch-sensitive display, you can perform gestures on >>>>>>>>>> the TouchBar. It wasn't clear what gestures are supported, but we >>>>>>>>>> know for sure that up to ten simultaneous touches will be >>>>>>>>>> recognized. That means dragging, pinching, swiping, and more, all >>>>>>>>>> with one or more fingers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The TouchBar is Apple's first attempt to marry a touch-enabled >>>>>>>>>> display with the keyboard- and mouse-driven world of macOS. No, it >>>>>>>>>> won't be perfect right away, but it speaks of exciting things to >>>>>>>>>> come. Even in this first iteration, I have to admit I'm eager to try >>>>>>>>>> it out for myself. It's not the access to functions for which >>>>>>>>>> hotkeys already exist that I like, but rather the customization >>>>>>>>>> possibilities I can envision. Combined with gesture input, the >>>>>>>>>> TouchBar could significantly raise the bar on computer interfaces. I >>>>>>>>>> apologize for any mental injury caused by such a terrible pun. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course, this means that VoiceOver users lose the hardware keys we >>>>>>>>>> use all the time--escape, f1, f2, and f5 come to mind immediately as >>>>>>>>>> keys I use many times a day for various VO commands. The big >>>>>>>>>> question, then, is how to perform these commands if all the virtual >>>>>>>>>> keys on the TouchBar have configured themselves for the currently >>>>>>>>>> open application? I wish I had the answer, but all I can say is that >>>>>>>>>> we at AppleVis have reached out to Apple about this issue. Thus far, >>>>>>>>>> we haven't heard, but we will let you know when and if we get a >>>>>>>>>> response. Still, with the Apple TV, Apple Watch, boot sequence with >>>>>>>>>> File Vault enabled, and even complete macOS re-installs all offering >>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver support, I have no doubt that the new TouchBar won't be a >>>>>>>>>> problem. Who knows; there may even be a whole new commander to play >>>>>>>>>> with. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A Touchy Addition >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ever since the iPhone 5s in 2013, TouchID has been a staple of iOS >>>>>>>>>> devices. If you bought an iPhone or iPad, you knew you'd get the >>>>>>>>>> ability to unlock it, or authorize payments/purchases/apps, with >>>>>>>>>> your fingerprint. However, no Mac has ever had this hugely >>>>>>>>>> convenient ability. Apple partly addressed this shortcoming in macOS >>>>>>>>>> Sierra, allowing users to perform authentication on their Macs >>>>>>>>>> through iPhones or Apple Watches. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, though, the MacBook Pro can do it all; the power button is also >>>>>>>>>> a TouchID sensor. Logging into your Mac, entering your admin >>>>>>>>>> password, using Apple Pay, and other security-centric tasks just got >>>>>>>>>> a lot more convenient. Simply place a finger on the power button, >>>>>>>>>> and that's it. Just like on iOS devices, the Mac reads your print, >>>>>>>>>> authenticates you, and you're all set. If you share a Mac with >>>>>>>>>> someone else, you can even use TouchID to immediately switch to your >>>>>>>>>> own user account, simply by touching the reader. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Getting Butterflies Over the New Keyboard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I have to give you the bad news. When the Retina MacBook came >>>>>>>>>> out, it included a keyboard that Apple naturally called >>>>>>>>>> "revolutionary". The keyboard took up less space, and gave a whole >>>>>>>>>> new feel to typing due to its "butterfly" switches. Apple may love >>>>>>>>>> the new design, but many reviewers found it odd and not as nice as >>>>>>>>>> the old keyboards. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I went down to a local outlet store and tried the keyboard >>>>>>>>>> myself, I had to agree; the key travel was less, and--more >>>>>>>>>> importantly--the space between the keys was almost non-existent. >>>>>>>>>> This made it very hard for me to feel where the keys were. I imagine >>>>>>>>>> this would have gotten better with time, so I'm not willing to >>>>>>>>>> condemn the keyboard based only on that first impression. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I say all that to say this: a new version of that new keyboard is >>>>>>>>>> now standard on all MacBooks. The good news is that Apple >>>>>>>>>> specifically mentioned key travel as an area of improvement in this >>>>>>>>>> new generation keyboard, so I'm happy to try out the latest model >>>>>>>>>> and be proven wrong. I do recommend getting over to an Apple Store >>>>>>>>>> or other shop where a demo MacBook is displayed so you can get your >>>>>>>>>> hands on the new keyboard before you make any purchase, if possible. >>>>>>>>>> However, the mention of an updated design gives me hope that Apple >>>>>>>>>> may have gotten it right this time. Only time and experience will >>>>>>>>>> tell. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The New Line-Up (Or: Bye-Bye to the MacBook Air ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For years, the choice of Macs has been simple: an eleven- or >>>>>>>>>> thirteen-inch Air, or a thirteen- or fifteen-inch Pro. In 2015, >>>>>>>>>> Apple shook things up with the introduction of a twelve-inch MacBook >>>>>>>>>> with a retina display, dubbed the Retina MacBook or, confusingly, >>>>>>>>>> simply the MacBook. Despite its larger screen, this device was about >>>>>>>>>> the size of the eleven-inch Air, and rumors swirled that Apple would >>>>>>>>>> drop the smallest Air from the line- up. As the Retina version >>>>>>>>>> lacked more than one USB port and used a less powerful processor, >>>>>>>>>> though, there was still a valid use case for the Air. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Despite all that, the Air is no more. It has been replaced with the >>>>>>>>>> twelve-inch Retina model for those wanting the smallest computer, >>>>>>>>>> and a basic version of the 13-inch Pro for those wanting a little >>>>>>>>>> more. Again, though, both devices are about the same size, so you >>>>>>>>>> don't have to worry about getting a physically larger machine. In >>>>>>>>>> fact, the 13-inch Pro is twelve percent thinner and thirteen percent >>>>>>>>>> smaller in overall volume than the 13-inch Air. Note that, at least >>>>>>>>>> for the moment, the 13-inch Air remains available, while the 11-inch >>>>>>>>>> Air has been pulled. No one knows how long this will last, though, >>>>>>>>>> just as there's no telling for how much longer the 13-inch Pro from >>>>>>>>>> 2015 will continue to be sold. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Airs are all but gone, and in their place are the 12-inch >>>>>>>>>> MacBook we already know, and a 13-inch Pro to take the place of the >>>>>>>>>> 13-inch Air, While it so far has no official name, this Pro lacks >>>>>>>>>> the TouchBar and TouchID of its more expensive sibling, and includes >>>>>>>>>> two USB-C ports to the four that come on the "real" Pros. If you're >>>>>>>>>> looking for a new Mac, here are your options. All of these come with >>>>>>>>>> 256GB of storage and 8GB of ram, except the 15-inch Pro which has >>>>>>>>>> 16GB of ram: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 12-inch MacBook: one USB-C port, fanless design, smallest and least >>>>>>>>>> powerful MacBook available. $1,299, 2 pounds. >>>>>>>>>> 13-inch "basic" Pro: two USB-C ports, no TouchBar, no TouchID, 2GhZ >>>>>>>>>> dual core Core I5 processor. Identical to base model 13-inch Pro in >>>>>>>>>> all other ways. $1,499, 3 pounds. >>>>>>>>>> 13-inch Pro: four USB-C ports, 2.9GhZ dual core Core I5 processor, >>>>>>>>>> includes TouchBar. $1,799, 3 pounds. >>>>>>>>>> 15-inch Pro: four USB-C ports, 2.6GhZ quad core Core I7, includes >>>>>>>>>> TouchBar. Again, starts with 16GB of ram to the others' 8GB. $2,399, >>>>>>>>>> 4 pounds. >>>>>>>>>> Until Next Year >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's it. Apple isn't expected to release anything new until >>>>>>>>>> sometime next year, so go forth and shop with confidence that you're >>>>>>>>>> getting the newest machines for months to come. Or, wait for deals >>>>>>>>>> on the "old" models, which are still extremely powerful and capable >>>>>>>>>> computers. Whatever you decide, today's announcements gave you a lot >>>>>>>>>> to choose from. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As of today (the day of the event), pre-orders are open for all >>>>>>>>>> models, though some won't ship for a few weeks while others will go >>>>>>>>>> out today. Please don't rely on this article for final prices, >>>>>>>>>> specifications, and upgrade options. Use Apple's website, or the >>>>>>>>>> Apple Store app, for that. I'm just giving you the basics, as given >>>>>>>>>> out at the presentation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you're thinking. Is the incredible reduction in >>>>>>>>>> size, and increase in power, enough to make you want a new Pro? Will >>>>>>>>>> you snatch up an Air while you can (no one knows if they're >>>>>>>>>> officially being discontinued)? Are you intrigued by the TouchBar, >>>>>>>>>> or do you want to stay far away from it? If I had the money, I'd get >>>>>>>>>> the 13-inch Pro with TouchBar in a heartbeat. The possibilities of a >>>>>>>>>> second touch/display surface are exciting, and I use peripherals >>>>>>>>>> rarely enough that going all USB-C wouldn't bother me. My only >>>>>>>>>> concern is the keyboard, but I have yet to see this new generation >>>>>>>>>> in person. 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You can reach >>> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner >>> is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is >> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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