I only prefer dots 7 8 for the blinking cursor. I don't even like it to
represent the Voiceover cursor. I, like you, and not a very good braille
reader. I mean, I'm decent, but definitely am not where I should be! It takes
me about 5 minutes to read an entire 8X11 sheet of braille paper single spaced
if that tells you anything.
I suppose dot 7 8 braille is something I could get used to, but right now, my
finters just are not sensitive enough, and it feels like the dots 7 and 8 run
into the rest of the braille cell making it very very confusing for me to make
out each character. If anyone knows a specific exercize when practicing that
may help me with this, I'd love off list to know! I have a very open mind to
trying getting used to 7 8 braille, as it really can tell you so much on a
braille display. I just don't know what it's gonna take to build the
sensitivity up for me to be able to suffer through it, until finally it become
second nature, and no longer be a painful task.
I know it's just practice practice practice, but if there specifically are any
little games or exercizes I can do by myself that may help, I'd love to know.
Anyway, so, yeah, that's my thoughts on dot 7 8, for what it's worth.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Cohn
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
Folks, since my braille reading is still way too slow, I only use Braille
devices to verify if they behave with our web content. My understanding is that
JAWS uses dots 7/8 to indicate text attributes but that UEB braille has in line
6 dot ways of indicating these attributes. What are people's preferences on
this? Also, if UEB text attribution indicators are used do folks only use the
dots 7 and 8 for cursor location?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:55 PM John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
It is best to write to accessibility. I know they are working on it and
read the feedback. This is extremely important for Braille users, so the more
they hear, the better.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
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On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
I think it's important to have all the text shown in it's bold or
italicised and so on as only then one would know how the written word is on
paper or digitally. A good braille transcriber will do this for all users who
use Braille.
That is the only good thing with Jaws, you get flawless braille. May be
it will happen on the Mac if we all wrote to Apple and said that we wanted
better braille support.
Kawal.
On 22 Oct 2016, at 16:11, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on
Windows is formatting information being shown. This includes italicized or
bolded text in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's braille
support, so I don't know if it supports the showing of formatting information,
but neither Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly putting the differently
formatted text in a different element than the rest, which can get annoying in
things like Bible apps, where sometimes even lone words are italicized. NVDA
just shows the text as italicized in braille and moves on, as any good braille
transcriber would.
On 10/22/2016 9:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even
Sierra is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good on iOS.
It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has improved greatly and
has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com>
wrote:
I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless. I don't
think Apple will do anything to improve it. At least Apple have got it right
on the I phone as I love it.
Kawal.
On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
wrote:
Hi!
To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from how
good it works on windows and Linux.
I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is imho
but with no luck.
So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
/A
On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech. I
really wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do this aside from
the trackpad commander. What if you're like me, and don't have a track/touch
pad? I really don't think Apple thought that one through the greatest. LOL!
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleeha Dudley"
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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
Hi,
For the speech when moving between items, could you mute
VoiceOver while reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander
is on with VO shift K and pressing right option d?
Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working,
both on a BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s
going on, but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be
awesome.
HTH,
Aleeha
On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late
2012 on El Capitan.
I have a few questions, please.
First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot
7 8 braille. I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text
Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though contracted
braille is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the cursor is
getting expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility
under the Braille category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the
only thing I can thing that would control this behavior. Regardless, that isn’t
working. Is there a way to turn that off, so it contracts regardless?
Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and
away!
When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with
an html element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web
html content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is
concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that.
This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display.
Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary
display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find that
as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and moves to
the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next item. I know
it’s simply doing that because of the fact I transitioned from the previous
item to another item. The issue is, it really is very distracting when I’m in
the heat of reading a really good article. Then, I have to take my hands off
the display, hit the control key on the keyboard to shut up Alex, then go back
to the display, and continue. It really really breaks the flow of things. I
don’t mind Voiceover doing this normally, but there are times I’d rather be
able to pan, and even if I leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it
reflect that on the display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m
doing is panning. It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to complete,
so say on my 20 cell display, an item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the
20th cell to the 21st cell of the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end
of the item, then try moving to the next item there after that this problem is
occuring.
The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my
display. I don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue. For
some b izarre reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva
Satelite Pro 584. It’s the most weirdest thing! My PM20 display works fine.
Another friend of mine who also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce the
problem, and he can as well. So clearly, something’s either broken or not set
by default. I didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.
So, say I’m editting a document, and I find a typo. I should be
able to press the router butting directly above the error to move my insertion
point to that character and fix the mistake. I can’t. When I try, it just dings
at me. This is both again on Sierra, as well as on El Capitan. It works, as I
said with my PM display, just not with the Alva. I’ve tried both the top, and
the bottom row of routing keys to no avale. I don’t think these need to be
mapped, as with the PM display plugged in, I went to the VO Utility/Braille,
then on the braille display tab, under Assign commands, I don’t see those keys
individually mapped. On the PM display, they just work. So I don’t think this
is a mapping issue.
When I go into the setup within the actual firmware itself of
the Alva display, the routing keys are not disabled. So, yeah… I’m totally
stumped.
I should add that on the Windows side of things on my Win XP
machine with JAWS 15, the routing keys work perfectly, so it’s definitely not a
hardware malfuntion.
Any help with these things would be appreciated. I suppose I
could call Accessibility, but the last time I did and asked them about anything
braille related, they didn’t have the slightest clue, and normally haven’t
other times as well that I called about braille. I guess they just are not
trained on anything braille related, which is a bloody crying shame!
Anyway, can anyone help with these things?
Chris.
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