Hi Scott and others, As I've said I'm not a hearing impaired / aid user and I appreciate things must be more difficult for you guys and girls in that area.
However this is going to be a new device and can you tell me that when the first iPhones came out that they catered for you guys first off with your requirements? I can understand that hey a new device should contain these required functions brought forward from the older device But in life to go forward you often have to go backwards first. I would think that apple or should I say I hope apple are now looking at this going shit, we've got a group of users now missing out. Less we forget all good things take time Apple have been very good with providing accessibility in their products and I'd be very surprised if they weren't now trying to correct this oversight. But you still have options with the older devices still allowing for your requirements But lets face it I'm more interested in the next phone than the release next week, They will correct and add features to what comes out in 2017. sf -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Davert Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2016 12:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven Hello all. I'm going to address several messages at once on this thread. Jonathan: you are 100% correct about the access issue for those of us who wear hearing aids and who are blind. Sadly, the market is rarely designed wit our needs being considered because, as you say, we're such a small minority. And within that minority, how many of us are actively reading online articles and tracking tech trends to even push this issue forward? I, too, have utilized my contacts at Apple to try and make them aware of this issue. While I doubt we will reverse hardware development, perhaps they will at least give our user case some consideration and may figure out a way to address it. Without going in to detail, it does seem that bluetooth audio in iOS 10 is a bit less laggy, but we still have all of the other issues you mentioned concerning battery life and so on. Mike: regarding your question of Android accessibility, since I think it's somewhat relevant to this discussion, my issue isn't so much with TalkBack, but with BrailleBack. As someone who has taken to primarily accessing my devices through braille displays, Android has a long long way to go in terms of giving equal access to the operating system. TalkBack has certainly come a long way, but BrailleBack has not. I have passed along numerous bits of feedback to Google on this issue, and all the responses are get are things like: then stick with iOS. Now the standard response seems to be that since BrailleBack is open source, Google expects someone else to solve their problems for them. You can have decent braille access on Android if you wish to shell out a few grand for a BrailleNote Touch which is already running an outdated version of the OS, but this, too, has many limitations. Thanks for reading, Scott On 9/2/16, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > Well, I've gotten rather into Android and Linux a lot lately, although > I still use my iPhone for reading email until I can find a mod for my > device that'll give me Android 6 or 7, so if Apple does something I > don't like, I have options I can turn to. > > > On 09/02/2016 04:06 AM, Portia Scott wrote: >> Yes, it will be interesting to see, For me as well. I am not one of >> those who buy the latest and greatest Devices right away anymore, >> either. LOL. I used to be, but I have grown a lot, and learned not to >> be like that anymore. As people say, only time will tell what happens. >> >> Take care, and have a wonderful day. >> >> Portia. >>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> I will be interested to see the headphones they have with the new >>> phones when they are released. >>> >>> I use my current ones for pretty much everything when I'm out and >>> about including using my MBA so people don't hear it talking or so I >>> can hear things with out the surrounding noises >>> >>> If these new phones are some new form of BT then I'll be happy if >>> they can connect to multiple devices such as my iPhone iPad and MBA. >>> Oh and my watch. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> >>> Simon F >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin >>> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 12:59 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on >>> the iPhone seven >>> >>> I Agree >>> With YourAssessment >>> >>> TimeWillTell >>> >>> If TheRemoval of the iPhone's HeadSet Jack deters Users from >>> PurchasingIt >>> >>> Exluding the Normal AppleFan >>> >>> Meaning WhetherOrNot Sales Pummet RatherQuickly At 11:15 PM >>> 8/31/2016, you wrote: >>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays >>>> an active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives >>>> that companies pay attention. >>>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically >>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' >>>> accounts, I'm not so certain that just because it decides something >>>> it better will make it so. >>>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it >>>> would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, >>>> my world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>> >>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick >>>> to follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the >>>> executives of Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when >>>> it leads, not when it follows." >>>> >>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. >>>> Fortunately for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and >>>> purchase the latest device just because it is the latest. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding >>>> 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven >>>> >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>> disappearing headphone jack. >>>> For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card thing, but did not >>>> put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is >>>> true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new >>>> phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other >>>> headphones. >>>> Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the >>>> headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't >>>> just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market >>>> without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and >>>> see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate >>>> earphone jack. >>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices >>>> thinner by (1) removing the removable battery and (2) removing the >>>> ability to add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon >>>> reversed its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the >>>> devices in favor of other companies who kept those features. >>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to >>>> remove the ability for iOS devices to have their photo content >>>> immediately available to PC users upon attaching the device to the >>>> computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to Android >>>> if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in order to >>>> manage photos. >>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed >>>> itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a >>>> complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack >>>> back (smile). >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours >>>> regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven >>>>> When all the “hubbub†concerning Apple >>>> removing the earphone jack first appeared I was certain they >>>> (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so potential customers >>>> would be able to use their existing earphones with the iPhone 7. >>>> This coming to light does not surprise me in the least. >>>>> **************** >>>>> - 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