I believe this is the arrogrant person who described me as a troll
because I tried to represent the issues of hearing impaired issues so I
am not at all surprised by the ignorance and callousness of this reply
to Jonathon.
Heaven help us if this is how members of our community turn of on deaf
users.
David Griffith
On 02/09/2016 13:35, Scott Granados wrote:
Jonathan, now you’re just writing stuff to read it later, that’s just
nutty. You make it like some huge personal assault against the great
and mighty Jonathan Mosen, please, we’ve seen an adapter is going to
exist so you have your precious 1960s technology.
In the end, probably 3 people are going to care about this issue over
all and all 3 are on this list.:)
The average consumer doesn’t care what shape or size plug they use as
long as when they plug it in the little light goes on and stuff works.
On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org
<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
Keep fighting the good fight David. This is far too important an
issue to give up. Our money is as good as anyone else's and we must
never give up advocating for recognition of our need to be able to
use our devices with efficiency and privacy while also charging them.
If it turns out that this need has been met, then it will in part be
due to courageous people like you who have spoken up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
On 2/09/2016, at 11:05 AM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com
<mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
As another deaf iPhone user I agree with everything you say but I
htink you will probably not get that much understanding. I tried to
explain on this list about how a wired headset was essential for me
but was accused bizarrely of being a troll because I dared to
criticise an Apple innovation.
This did cause another another poster to comment that ironically
some people are deaf to the concerns of those of with hearing
impairments.
David Griffith
On 01/09/2016 20:07, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community
in the same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids
and require decent latency. And the fact that those of us who are
affected are such a minority makes us more vulnerable. You can be
sure I am considering my legal options under legislation here.
A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less
than a blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a
Bluetooth solution is being used, after a standard hearing aid
wearer has finished their call or isn't listening to music, the
technology goes into standby and uses very little energy. A blind
person has VO talking a lot of the time if they're using their
device for tasks like reading and creating documents, email etc, so
the impact is much greater.
Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of
their phone with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the
adapter will not solve the problem entirely if it means that you
can't charge your device and use headphones at the same time. I
travel long distances for example, often with flights over 12 hours
long. I regularly take my Anka battery with me and charge the phone
while I use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight
entertainment system. It's important to me to have a full charge
when I reach my destination. Based on the information we have, it
looks like you can either listen to wired headphones or charge, not
both.
That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option
appears to have to choose between privacy and charge.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move,
if it means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't
use hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an
incredibly stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just
believe that they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround
that would work for people who use hearing aids. The hard of
hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind
community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for
people who use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing
here? I remember sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone
jack would go away first came out, Jonathan wrote a very
impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a very
bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple is
going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why
doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not
a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and
the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's
still really bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I would
not want to have to type on that system for anything more than a
word or two, because the latency between when you touch a letter
and when you hear it is much too long.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net
<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.
Here’s another point to consider, suppose we add wireless
charging. Now, you could have a brick with no ports what so ever
formed from one solid piece of material. You could almost grow
the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone with no
openings at all. The entire surface could be a screen. Not
needing ports is a good thing over all.
On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about
the disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back
the storage card thing, but did not put back the user
replaceable battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple
will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well
as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other
headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I
suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from
iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this
direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the
first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu
<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market
accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.
When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1)
removing the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to
add auxiliary memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed
its decision as the market, effectively, rejected the devices
in favor of other companies who kept those features.
A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability
for iOS devices to have their photo content immediately
available to PC users upon attaching the device to the
computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed to turn to
Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in
order to manage photos.
Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring
this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes.
So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit,
something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile).
Mark
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