Hi Arnold, I like you work 40 hours per week, I work for an organisation that is primarily windows machine, however we do have a truck load of Mac users also.
In the past 6 years I've gone from having no mac knowledge to now being a competent user to the point my boss comes to me to ask questions and he has been using macs for about 20 years. I reimage all my teams machines and have currently got a 2013 mac book air and 2011 13 inch mac book pro sitting on my desk migrating data from the pro to the air via thunderbolt cable after I reimaged the air I do this work myself and without sighted assistance I am currently typing this email on a mac book air 11 inch 2013 machine but a major bonus, I'm using windows 10 pro in boot camp. I am a windows power user including powershell and exchange plus active directory, Windows is great but the mac does things windows doesn't allow such as having dual boot system from the touch of a button. I'm not saying I know it all but I've learnt a lot in 6 years and I know there is more to learn It takes time but a notebook will give you both platforms on the go if you needed to be portable, the mac mini gives you the option of 2 platforms at the touch of a button. Take your time and think about what you require but know that the list your on has a lot of very knowledgable people that can answer most of your questions when you need to ask. Good luck and keep the positive attitude Good luckl -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back I have been thinking about this for several days. As one coming from Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000, learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language. I know what I want to do, but how to do it is almost totally different. Hey, control c copies something and control v pastes it, they have that in common. But I have come up with the best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and learn to do it. Even if I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a whole lot I can do, in all caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I learned to do it, and will be able to speak? mac as well as windows. That is a pretty good reason to do it. I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I didn't have my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes, than in windows iTunes. We'll see, eventually. Now, if I just didn't have to work 40 hours a week, becoming proficient in mac would happen sooner. This was one of my vacation weeks. Arnold Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimber Gardner" <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back I'm not Arnold so can't presume to answer for him, but I found myself in a similar situation several years ago when I bought a MacAir. Despite multiple attempts to learn the new operating system, I found myself frustrated at nearly every turn. Now I've been an IT professional for thirty years, working all that time in the windows environment, still I found the learning curve extremely daunting. I've read this thread with great interest and I think the many comments about total immersion while learning may have been the root of my own failure with the Mac. Because I became frustrated in my attempts to accomplish the simplest of tasks (like reading and answering email), I frequently switched back to windows to do what I needed to do. Consequently I lost whatever ground I had gained in the Mac universe. This is my rather long way of saying that while installing bootcamp on a Mac may seem like no big deal to you (or anyone who is comfortable with the Mac), for me that task seems like a mountain the size of Everest. I suspect Arnold may feel the same. Unlike Arnold I kept my Mac and still return to it from time to time. I've been a devoted Apple user on the mobile platform for several years and there is something that brings me back to the Mac again and again. It may be just that I don't like to admit failure in the face of any technology. I don't really know. About the only method I haven't tried is one on one training. That may be my next (and possibly final) step. Kimber On 7/7/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > Hi arnld, > > Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp? > > That would give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple > os. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson > Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back > > Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free > one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough > struggles. > My information that I would like you to have been say is below in my > signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. > I > will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't > work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for > Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac still free to use > interviews my information in my signature as well as you wish. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7...@gmail.com<mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com> > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7...@yahoo.com<mailto:jhud7...@yahoo.com> > > On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt > <arno...@mindspring.com<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote: > > I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two > weeks, concerning my Mac Mini. However, I ended up taking it back after > all > yesterday, which was my last day to return it. > > To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just wasn't > getting it as much as I think I should have been. Every time I would turn > it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that > I > thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more > frustrating than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in > Windows, or on my iPhone. And in the end, what was going to be the real > benefit to me? ITunes allegedly easier to use, and being able to install > the OS myself. > > Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out intending > to > put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my paratransit > trip > to return it arrived, which I still thought I was going to cancel. So, I > decided to log into my bank web site, which I had not attempted yet. I > successfully passed the first step in the two-step verification, but then, > no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to read the security question it > wanted answered. No problem in Windows, or my iPhone, no go on this Mac > mini. I could tell the location for the answer field, I could find what > should have been the question field, it just wouldn't read anything. I > typed in the answer to one of my security questions, which, of course, was > the wrong answer for the question it was asking. I am sure the inability > to > get it to read the security question was mine, not the Mac Mini's . So, I > closed Safari, then decided to turn on keyboard help, just to try > differing > combinations of keys I had never tried before to see what it would say. I > was trying the function keys, and hit a key at the very right end of them, > and it just shut off. Nothing I did would get VoiceOver talking again. I > tried the three-finger triple tap on the track pad,then the three-finger > double tap which is what it is on my iPhone, turned the track pad > commander > off and on, turned the whole computer off and back on, nothing. And this > was my last day. > > I wish I had had 30 days. If I had had, I still don't think it would have > gone back. But I didn't want to be one of those people who never quite > got > it, but it was too late to take it back, and I had over 900 dollars > invested > in the thing. Even though it would have put me lower in my checking > account > than I wanted to be, I should have kept the Windows 10 Lenovo I bought > from > Costco, and the Mac Mini, too, knowing one of them was going back. I > bought > the Lenovo first, after having talked myself out of buying a Mac, again. > Sometime before Microsoft stops supporting Vista next spring, there will > be > another good deal come through Costco. > > I always had wanted to try a Mac, I am glad I did. But it ended up being > so > much tedium and frustration to me, as compared to what I already know, > with > not all that much seeming benefit in the end. I fully expected not to know > what I was doing for a while, but I thought it would have begun to get > easier by yesterday, which, I guess, it wasn't, even with the two books I > have. > > Arnold Schmidt > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kimberly -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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