Hell, You guys are way ahead of us, we have one jaws licence and that's about 10 versions behind,
I have my own licence which I paid for years ago and update every couple of years with my SMA Otherwise our management don't care about the blind or VI students and or staff we have. And no one other than myself wish to fight this. I hate discrimination. -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:16 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra? Nancy, I tried to make the same argument here. The computer lab run by DSS does now have a Mac thanks to me, but since the university already owned multiple licenses for JAWS, the cost-savings argument never got much traction. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Donna, > I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting > ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was > asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would > cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then > they were OK with it. > Nancy > > Nancy Badger, Ph.D > Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from > my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors. > >> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered. Though many >> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was >> primarily a PC campus. When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and >> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with >> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>> >>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple. >>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large >>> rollouts. Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days >>> but more recently the integration has been very good. >>> >>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out >>> of the box. Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be >>> the least expensive way to go. >>> >>> Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows >>> nearly as much. You still see it on the administrative side, there’s >>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients >>> laptops, almost all Mac in my experience. Then again, I’m seeing Macs >>> everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train. It was shocking me the wide use >>> of macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing because >>> they are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US. >>> >>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with >>> Linux. There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even >>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs >>> for the employees. >>> >>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated. I’ve heard for example >>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered. >>> >>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk >>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there >>> are many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my >>> kids elementary school last night where they were going to help fund >>> buying >>> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be >>> Macs but I also understand how painful it would be to >>> integrate/support them in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they >>> were $400 a pop with all the apps installed. For generic web surfing >>> and wordprocessing boxes that little kids are going to beat up, do >>> you really want to put pearls before swine? You won't find wood >>> fired chestnut pancakes or pasta ncasciata in the school cafeteria >>> either. For those who have thought about it and get to choose, the Mac is a >>> compelling solution. >>> >>> CB >>> >>>> On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you. >>>> >>>> Interesting you mentioned Woz. Oh how I wish his influence has persisted. >>>> Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 >>>> architecture. I cut my teeth on that architecture. I remember being a >>>> wee sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random >>>> odd family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I >>>> wanted. That’s when computing was still fun. Ah the things I did with my >>>> Apple Cat modem. (I would like to personally thank who ever thought it >>>> was a good idea to include a full function tone generator, voice >>>> synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and expansion capabilities on a modem >>>> and the FBI would not like to thank you but that’s for another list) The >>>> point is, that was solid thinking I coul get behind. The battle between >>>> the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the great built in language >>>> (Apple Soft), and on and on and on. Woz was definitely more on the >>>> openness side and so am I so I can see your hope that he would rise again >>>> although I’m not betting on it. >>>> I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small >>>> Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people. Very grounded, friendly, >>>> unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig. Funny how >>>> opposite the two Steves were. >>>> >>>> I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist >>>> on the notebook side. >>>> >>>> I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many >>>> are out there now. Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on >>>> Macs, huge employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson >>>> International, and since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were >>>> Mac shops not by choice but by luck. With such a hold on laptops >>>> especially I’d think they would like to keep that but I fear your right. >>>> The cool enhanced Unix environment is slowly being squeezed. I wonder if >>>> there will be a day where terminal isn’t included with the Mac. I believe >>>> that would be the day I go elsewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :) >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if >>>>> Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a >>>>> proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were >>>>> instead committed to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because >>>>> a workstation OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users >>>>> (including me and probably you, Scott, as well) really need. A commenter >>>>> on OSXDaily ( obsolete name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( >>>>> awesome name :) ) sums it up very well: >>>>> >>>>>> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX >>>>>> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it >>>>>> into a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS. >>>>>> >>>>>> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech >>>>>> world, and OS X was his centerpiece. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS. >>>>>> >>>>>> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple >>>>>> that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously >>>>>> now hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple. >>>>>> >>>>>> Woz, where are you? >>>>>> >>>>>> Stay strong osxdaily. >>>>> Yeah. This. A thousand times this. >>>>> >>>>> I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own >>>>> MacBook, in 2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the >>>>> iPhone was booming. Others here will have used Tiger and maybe >>>>> even the classic Macintosh. Things have changed a very great deal >>>>> since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations and Apple >>>>> became a consumer electronics company. The neglect of the Mac has >>>>> gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a >>>>> full-scale domestic assault. Lion was the start of it, you’re >>>>> right. I should have seen that. But it did offer exciting new >>>>> features, and at least one of them, Resume, is noticeably absent >>>>> on Snow Leopard and Windows. I won’t rehash my views about the >>>>> systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to >>>>> death on here before ( and you know how it is with people who >>>>> think Apple is perfect no matter what they do :) ), but suffice it >>>>> to say that I (and, it would appear, many others) thought I was >>>>> getting something better at the time Lion came out: an operating >>>>> system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that >>>>> rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS. But instead of >>>>> a pair of operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with >>>>> its own personality and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to >>>>> benefit from the others’ virtues, or an inevitable transition to a >>>>> lean, mean, mobile platform that’s open enough to be used as a >>>>> proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down toy OS that >>>>> struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite >>>>> the fact that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business >>>>> (Microsoft Surface), and an increasingly useless and trivialised >>>>> desktop OS with nothing to recommend it over the laughingstock >>>>> that was its former competition, and whose usefulness is severely >>>>> being compromised by its need to lock you in to Apple’s services, >>>>> the lack of upgradability of hardware, and the need for Apple’s >>>>> other ecosystem devices. Oh my, how things have changed … >>>>> >>>>> Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed. >>>>> The Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be >>>>> inferior because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for >>>>> doing your computing. Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope >>>>> with. Apple would cater to the demands of the market, either destroying >>>>> the Mac’s advantages (say, by hosting services for you) or improving the >>>>> hardware. The form factor that the Mac represents, especially the >>>>> keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, >>>>> will be catered for, as will the necessary peripherals. >>>>> >>>>> Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :) >>>>> >>>>> I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM. It’s imperfect (sound a bit >>>>> stuttery), but it works well enough. >>>>> >>>>> You can learn more about “Apple File System” (APFS) here: >>>>> https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701 >>>>> >>>>> Per-object and metadata encryption, sparse files, de-duplication >>>>> on copy, low-overhead crash safety, snapshots, atomic directory >>>>> renames … good show. And yes, a very big improvement over HFS+, >>>>> indeed. :) >>>>> >>>>> Just now, using APFS (on disk images and external devices) is a dangerous >>>>> and advanced business, fit only for people who have good backups and >>>>> command-line foo. If you follow that link, you’ll find documentation. >>>>> If you Google it, you’ll find lots of geeky insights, which will really >>>>> work for you if you like that kind of depth of understanding. Testing is >>>>> limited to data files; Time Machine isn’t supported yet, you can’t export >>>>> to AFP (HFS legacy, that) and you can’t actually boot the system from an >>>>> APFS volume group. But Apple says that stuff is coming. >>>>> >>>>> Object recognition in photos, like grouping pictures based on related >>>>> objects, and identifying particular objects. 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