Hey Scott, I agree with you about everyone having access, but here's another perspective.
My husband took a huge salary hit when we moved to Illinois, because we were coming here to be closer to our families. The job I was promised at the university never materialized--as you may know, IL is a fiscal disaster. so, things are a lot tighter around our household than they were when we lived in Michigan. As a result, we've cut out most of our subscription services as a way to cut corners. One reason we can do that, is that we own a pretty large library of music, movies etc. You're right, one subscription of a few bucks a month is pretty easy for most people to swing, but 30 different subscriptions--I'm thinking here of the scenario where most apps are subscription based--is a whole different scenario. For us, owning our own content is saving us some real money right now. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Donna, see I can see where you’re coming from but I don’t see us going back > to the old model. I was thinking the other day what happened to my music > collection. I used to have crates and crates and now it’s all virtualized in > the cloud somewhere. I’m not sure that’s entirely good, I’ve argued about > the sound quality issues before but the access and flexability are sure nice. > I would argue that dedicating huge parts of our incomes or saving over > long durations for media while it was the norm kept a lot of people out. You > probably weren’t exposed to a lot of the culture from the poor inner cities > where massive bootlegging and tape swapping took place because content was so > expensive and it was also the only way to self publish. People were > literally selling their own stuff or others out of the backs of cars. Now > you’ve got the world’s music library available for a few bucks per month or > even free on some services. We dreamed of that sort of thing back in the > day. I remember being in college discussing digital signal processing and > how we thought it would never be possible to store music or video totally in > memory or in non moving systems. Now we do that every day and not only that > we have the bandwidth to the home to do interesting things. I’d rather > people have access to the world for a few bucks per month or even free with > advertising than not have the access at all and be cut off. > > Good discussion, interesting the different angles. > > > On 6/10/16, 9:32 AM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on > behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: > >> Hey Scott, >> >> I agree that it will be interesting to see how this plays out, and I hope >> you are right that both models will be supported for a while. I completely >> agree that app developers should be able to earn a living just like anybody >> else. >> >> Yes I remember the old days when you bought boxes of software in a brick and >> mortar store. I don't necessarily need to go back to those days. I'm all >> in favor of the cloud and being able to download software. It's much easier >> and more efficient. But to me, those are two separate issues, the one is >> how you obtain your software, music, etc, and store data, the other is >> whether you lease or own. I'd rather own. :)I do see what you're talking >> about how younger people use subscription services, but I also wonder if the >> pendulum will swing back on this one eventually. I have a huge music >> library, all of which I own. Yes, if I were to calculate the cost of >> purchasing all that music, it'd be ridiculous - I've been buying music for >> 40 years. But in a way that's precisely the point. I bought what I wanted, >> when I wanted *and when I could afford it. If I was short on cash at a >> given time, I wasn't faced with having to either pay up or lose access to my >> music library. Maybe the pendulum won't ever swing back, but I see real >> advantages to ownership, many of which have already been pointed out. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>> >>> Well Donna, I’ll admit as well though that there are an equal and opposite >>> bunch that do seem to panic and react negatively to change for changes >>> sake. So as in all things there are extreme views on both ends and we all >>> sort of fall somewhere in the middle or sometimes near the edges of the >>> curve.:) I would say in this case that both sides have valid points, I >>> think I come down somewhere much closer to the subscription model but like >>> I said I think enough people at least for the short to medium term will >>> like the old model so both will be supported in some form. >>> Whether we like it or not though, the chances are progressed has >>> already passed us by on this one. Like I said, all the kids now are so >>> used to running everything in the cloud and running thin clients that the >>> idea of anything more than an app is alien to them. I bet we in the older >>> crowd still remember going to a software store where they sold nothing but >>> boxes of software or various upgrades and parts for computers and gaming >>> systems. Gamestop is probably the closest thing to this today. Imagine >>> being in that business today?:) Have you noticed how much lesss space is >>> dedicated to software / disks / media in the large stores now? In a world >>> of Netflix and hulu and apple spodify title Pandora all that where you pay >>> a fee for access to huge libraries why would software be different? >>> >>> It’s a brave new world out there. >>> >>> >>> On 6/9/16, 12:04 PM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on >>> behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you, Scott! I confess that I was starting to feel a bit irritated >>>> that there are some on this list who seem to think that because one >>>> expresses a different opinion from theirs that that person is "panicking", >>>> "unable to adapt to change" etc. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mary and Donna also raise very good points. I would suspect in the end >>>>> both models will persist for that reason. People will at least for a >>>>> long while still like to own their software and others will lease. As my >>>>> favorite talk show host Gene Burns used to say before he passed, “That’s >>>>> why they make Chocolate and Vanilla”. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/9/16, 11:43 AM, "E.T." <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until >>>>>> one has hands on that change can be seen as good. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense. >>>>>> There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier >>>>>> based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the user, >>>>>> an annual makes sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>>> +1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If you >>>>>>> use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up for >>>>>>> office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to bash >>>>>>> Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 thing, not >>>>>>> bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally worth it when >>>>>>> you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and that didn’t include >>>>>>> unlimited upgrades. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the cost >>>>>>> of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to cost when we >>>>>>> complain now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ray Foret jr >>>>>>> <rforet7...@comcast.net> >>>>>>> *Reply-To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> *Date: *Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:18 AM >>>>>>> *To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, >>>>>>> Faster Approvals, and Search Ads >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing. >>>>>>> Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will >>>>>>> be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer >>>>>>> wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>>> blind built-in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is not how I read that article. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for >>>>>>> subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't >>>>>>> have to pay for it monthly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so >>>>>>> many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store, >>>>>>> that having to pay for all of them each month could get >>>>>>> incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>>>>> Training Instructor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Helga Schreiber >>>>>>> <mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: >>>>>>> Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis >>>>>>> article! so this emans that we will be charge for the >>>>>>> apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is talking >>>>>>> about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we >>>>>>> search something, adds will appear,and then if we get >>>>>>> the apps, we will need to pay a subscription in ordr to >>>>>>> get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! LOL! >>>>>>> I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! >>>>>>> I live in the united States! So if we pay a subscription >>>>>>> will be also for the free apps right? I look forward in >>>>>>> hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Helga Schreiber >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida >>>>>>> Association of Blind Students. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4Life >>>>>>> Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as >>>>>>> <http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx>px >>>>>>> >>>>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and >>>>>>> only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish >>>>>>> but have eternal life." John 3:16 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller >>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com <mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for >>>>>>> users, but keep on keeping on, I suppose yes, the >>>>>>> ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to >>>>>>> adapt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin >>>>>>> <doniado...@me.com <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a >>>>>>> not so great thing for the users. In my case, >>>>>>> if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply >>>>>>> not purchase. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin >>>>>>> Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com >>>>>>> <mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to >>>>>>> say, is a PR arm for Apple) just published >>>>>>> this. Link: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store >>>>>>> <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank God ads are only in the States, for >>>>>>> now. But it, and the whole concept of >>>>>>> subscription pricing, is a disappointment to >>>>>>> me, and not what I buy Apple for. Still, it >>>>>>> fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the >>>>>>> other recent things Apple have been doing, >>>>>>> so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. 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