Wow! One thing is for sure. A novous just learning to use a Mac had better really really master Voice Over before they go fooling with this for sure. A tutorial would really be nice: even though I myself got your instructions perfectly and will save them as a .rtf for possible future reference. Hey, even though I may never actually use it, many thanks.
Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!! > On Mar 5, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > So there's a little trick to using this app totally effectively. I've been > playhing with it all morning, and I think I've finally mastered it. I'd > absolutely be more than willing to make an audio tutorial showing you all > interactively how this works, if you all think it would help. > > First, make sure you have rich icons turned on. > > Next, you need to be sure in the view menu, that conceal passwords is not > checked. If it is, hit VO+space on it to toggle it off. Trust me with this. > If you do have to turn it off, then quit, and restart the app, or else from > an accessibility standpoint, your options won't take effect. > > Now, add an item. Let's just say for example, add a login item. > > OK, now here's where things get a little weird, so do exactly what I tell you > to do. > > VO+left and right until you find the text box for the login item's name. By > default, it'll probably just call it something really generic like, "login." > > Delete that out like you would any edit field. This part isn't really > strange, then call it whatever you want. In my case, I called it the > manufacturer's name of my router. So you may call it Linksys, or Belcon, or > God forbid, DLink, or whatever. And yes, if you have a DLink, then god help > you from an accessibility standpoint. LOL! I feel sorry for you! > > OK, now listen to what I'm saying here, very? very, carefully! If you don't > follow my instructions to a T, this won't work. > > VO+right arrow until you get to the details table. Be really careful. > Don't! and I repeat, don't! interact with the items list table. If you do, > you'll totally! screw this up. VO+right arrow past that table and go over to > the next table after that, which will be the details table. Now! Interact > with that with VO+Shift+Down arrow. > > Now, in this table, you can do a few things. Say there is a row in the table > you want to get rid of, as the data isn't rellavent, known, or needed. > VO+down arrow to that row. Once you find that row, interact again. So > basically to summarize, you've interacted with the table, then, you > interacted once again within the table on the individual row you don't want. > Once you interact with the row, the first thing you'll land on is a delete > button. Simply press VO+Space, and boom! That row's now gone. > > Say you find a row in the table that you do! want to add a data value to. > OK, this is really really similar to when you deleted a row. The only > difference is, once you interact with that row, you'll land on the delete > button, but don't press it. Instead, VO+right arrow, and you should land on > an edit field, or a popup button, or whatever, depending on what the field > is. The point being, at the end of the day, you should land on a control > which corresponds to the data which goes in that row. Now, passwords are a > little different. I'll cover them next. > > OK, so, passwords. This is a royal pain if you're not aware of it. And > honestly, this is probably the most unobvious part of the app. First of all, > remember. Make sure conceal passwords is unchecked in your view menu. > Otherwise, you're going to get randomly scrambled passwords based on what you > type, and things just won't work, as it's gonna try to think for you, which > never is a good thing. > > So, with passwords, here's the deal. First of all, you've probably by now > noticed that for one, there is no place to type in a password into the > password row of the details table. You probably noticed that there's a > checkbox which is unlabeled, but that's it. Basically, what happens is, when > you check that unlabeled box, it brings up a popup window. This is where you > can set criteria for it to generate a password for you. But you say, I don't > want it to generate one. I already have a password I'm using. I know, I > know I know. just stick with me on this. this checkbox is still very > rellavent. I assure you. > > The trick is, firstly, you need to check that box. By doing so, you're going > to cause the app to automatically generate you a password. It doesn't matter > how things are set in that popup, as we're not gonna use it. So, once you > hear the popup sound from Voiceover after checking that box, I want you to > immediately then press the escape key. That will dismiss the popup. Now, at > this point, you will have a generated password, which now, we're going to > edit to say the password you! want it to say. So, this is extremely > important. Once you hit escape to dismiss that popup, you're going to be > back on that checkbox, which again will be unchecked since you dismissed the > popup. That's fine though. What you need to now do is VO+left arrow one > time, and one? time, only! Be careful. If you do this wrong, it wont' work. > Upon hitting VO+left arrow, you'll hear the password it generated. It's not > gonna be a text field, but trust me with this. Right there, start typing > your password. Don't be alarmed if Voiceover keeps echoing things as you > type. For example if your password were yellowdog12, it may, as you type, > say: y, ye, yel, yell, yello, yellow, yellowd, etc. Don't let that alarm > you. Just keep typing. Once done, stop interacting with VO+shift+Up arrow. > Hit that over and over until you're not interacting with anything. Then > interact again with the details table. Again, not the items list table, but > the details table for the current item. Actually, if you did this exactly as > I'm telling you, then you should! already be focussed on it, so just hit > vo+Shift+down arrow. Now, VO+down arrow through the rows in the table, past > the password field, which you now should hear has your correct password in > it. Delete anything you don't need, and add anything you do. When done, > stop interacting with everything, and then VO+right arrow to the save button. > Hit VO+Space on it, and there you go! That record now's been added > correctly. One more thing about the password areas: If you make a typo, > then your best bet is to move away from the password back to the checkbox. > Check it, and let it generate a new password. Hit escape to close the popup, > then VO+Left arrow, and give it another try, typing your entire password > again. In other words, there's really not a way to accessibly edit the > password with the arrow keys, nor with the backspace key, etc. The best > way's just to totally redo it. > > I hope this helps some of you who're struggling with this, like I did. > > Chris. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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