hi all if everyone sends a message to accessibil...@apple.com or get an apple care specialist to do a screen shot of your computers they’ll have to take! notice as i did for app store not opening properly, and finder busy using column view if you have a lot of files in a folder, it becomes unusable. It works as it should in list view . Thanks everyone. cheers gerry have a nice day Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au Skype: gerry.cook1 Twitter: @gerrycook52
> On 17 Oct 2015, at 11:52 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: > > Hi! > But we can still complain and say a lot of things about apple here. > But why not let apple hear from us by writing to them. > I still won’t stop using my mac but i want it to be better for people with > blindness related problems. > So is accessibil...@apple.com the only way to get in touch with them. > /A >> On 16 Oct 2015, at 19:05, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >> >> I do think Apple is more committed to accessibility than Microsoft, but in >> the last couple years, Apple's quality control has really suffered, and >> that's the real issue, they release products without fully testing them. >> Regarding Windows screen readers, there really is no reason to pay for >> expensive screen readers anymore. NVDA works very well, and if you have a >> recent version of Microsoft Office, you can use Window Eyes for free. To pay >> for Jaws now is simply a waste of money. >> Original message: >>> Jaws is not the only game in town for windows. There is nvda, which is >>> quite respectable these days. The argument that you get a freebie with a >>> Mac and Windows screen readers are expensive just doesn't cut it anymore, >>> especially with Apple producing but here releases of OS X when they are >>> supposed to be "rock solid". I bought my first mac went snow leopard was >>> the current version of OS X. It was pretty solid. Since then, there >>> certainly have been improvements in voiceover features. I still believe it >>> is clear that Apple has made for more of a commitment to accessibility then >>> has Microsoft. After all, the new edge browser is totally inaccessible to >>> all but the experimental support with the latest build of NVDA. However, >>> Apple is quite open about this commitment, therefore, they have set >>> themselves a higher standard. And they are not meeting it with this new >>> release. When they release a product with serious voiceover issues, they >>> are sending a message that their commitment to accessibility is not quite >>> up to the standard of their commitment to those who do not need >>> accessibility features. Is that really what they want to do? >>> Mary >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >>>> The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes >>>> with the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small >>>> windows lap top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish there >>>> was better Braille sufport on the Mac. >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >> >>>>> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about >>>>> the only way we'll get any progress. >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> Hey guy, >> >>>>>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the >>>>>> next version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original >>>>>> novice concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. >> >>>>>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has >>>>>> posted about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO >>>>>> users on the mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. >>>>>> Thankfully I will be rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some >>>>>> more backups. Seriously, I love Apple, but you got to call them out when >>>>>> they shit the bed and El Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and >>>>>> El Capitan were going to be focused on Quality Control instead of fancy >>>>>> new things. Well, how can Apple expect any VO user that they seriously >>>>>> test VO when safari on a lot of websites is absolutely unusable. It is >>>>>> great that VO seems to be much snappier but with it constantly crashing >>>>>> and turning on and off it is unusable, and I am finding the same issue >>>>>> in chrome on the same websites so it is definitely VO. >> >>>>>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read >>>>>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you >>>>>> will constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back >>>>>> down again to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe >>>>>> that Apple should fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just >>>>>> do not care about the quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again. >>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and >>>>>>> sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of >>>>>>> the operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first. >>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> This is why I have Rolled back to Yosemite. >> >>>>>>>> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the >>>>>>>> Mac back in 2010. >> >>>>>>>> Won't be updating until a update comes out to address these problems. >> >>>>>>>> Yours truly, >> >>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta? I >>>>>>>>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there >>>>>>>>> since I finally got successfully updated. How are people getting >>>>>>>>> around this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays >>>>>>>>> with computers? Are folks just using Crome instead? What about >>>>>>>>> Webkit? Is it any better? >> >>>>>>>>> Chris. >> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" >>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever? >> >> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >> >>>>>>>>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst >>>>>>>>> experience I’ve ever had while using OS X. >> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello. >> >>>>>>>>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library >>>>>>>>>> catalogue. Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari >>>>>>>>>> is broken? Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or >>>>>>>>>> for Talking books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps >>>>>>>>>> saying dialogue. Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due >>>>>>>>>> course so I hope it’s been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it >>>>>>>>>> when I tried it on the I phone 6 Plus. Now I am using the 6 Plus S >>>>>>>>>> wonder if it will improve. >> >>>>>>>>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it >>>>>>>>>> back to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite. 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