Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?

[Piotr Machacz]

I just had a brief play with the various office apps and I think the 
problems aren't very big and can still be fixed. Before people cut my 
head off, you need to keep in mind that this is still an early preview 
which will continue to get updated and it looks to me like Microsoft is 
still working on it. Stepping away from Word for a moment, Outlook seems 
to work quite well, Excel, although not tracking where the focus is with 
the arrow keys does at least expose the cells to VO, while powerpoint 
seems to work quite well already - you can see the various slide 
rectangles, edit them, and VoiceOver gives you warnings when they are 
hidden. Viewing existing slides is also accessible and the feedback you 
get is a lot better and faster than with keynote, which just seems to 
say something in the lines of, 2 items were updated as slides change. 
One note is also working which bodes well for Word.
Back to Word, VoiceOver already knows that the document pane is a text 
area, so all that's left for Microsoft is to expose the text and send 
various notifications when the text is updated or when the cursor moves, 
a task made considerably simpler with Yosemite. The other reason I'm not 
worrying just yet is that for the few months I've been with the Windows 
10 tech preview, it also has accessibility issues that get progressively 
addressed. For example, when the notification center was introduced, 
there was at first no way to get to it at all from the keyboard. A build 
later, that was addressed, but the interface was very cluttered, and 
with yet another build that, too was fixed. The start menu was just 
rewritten and is currently not very accessible, but Microsoft is aware 
of this and it will most likely be addressed. And let's not forget the 
office web apps, or the iOS office apps.  iWork didn't work as well as 
it does now from the get go either, the first versions of pages 13 
didn't indicate links, the export dialogs weren't very accessible and 
keynote's presentation view was completely broken for a few builds, 
those were all fixed later.
So yeah, I think by the time office 16 leaves preview it will work quite 
well
On 2015-03-11 00:27, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
Hi Chris,I would love to use Pages, but I am a recent Mac user of 1-1/2 years and I need 
Word for my business. Not that I’m opposed to learning a new word processor, 
but when one has used a piece of software for many years, I am more productive 
and less time is wasted in attempting to figure out some formatting or use of 
styles that are not apparent to a new user. I was trying not to have to install 
Win 8.1 into BootCamp, but I guess I will have to bite the bullet. I still 
wrote to Microsoft. This is a beta, so maybe they will get it right this time.

Best,
Eileen
On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Considerring that we've been telling Microsoft since the first release of 
Office for the Mac back in the Tiger Days to fix this issue?

Need I say more?  Just stick with Pages, if possible.

Chris.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hello,

I took a look at this again. I interacted with the Document pane, but there is 
no access to the edit text that has been process. VO did not echo character, 
word, or both and there I couldn’t get any navigation with VO to work. I knew 
that there was words processed because when I tabbed to the word count it 
stated 15 words. The unlabeled button to the right of that activates the spell 
checker. I have sent MS feedback about the issues regarding VO accessing the 
document pane edit field. If others are finding the same, it takes a village to 
get someone to look at the problem and maybe have a chance that it will be 
fixed. JMO.

Best,
Eileen
On Mar 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Tim,

You have basically echoed precisely the same thing I already said.  Smile. I 
kind a wondered that same thing.

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <kilbu...@me.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


Hi,

Maybe I’m misunderstanding things here, but, if you disable the Document pane, 
then you are removing the container where the text is being held. Would that 
not, therefore, make the text disappear, or, at least, inaccessible?  If one 
does an Item Chooser, then types some text that you know is in the body of the 
document, if it appears to the Item Chooser, we’re getting somewhere, if not, 
then the accessibility of the editable area is non-existent.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 10, 2015, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I don't think he can! get it to work.  I think what he means is, if you could 
disable that, then it would be worth it, although, as said in my first message, 
I don't understand how that would help.  If anything, I'd think that would make 
it even worse.

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:10 PM
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How are you able to get it to work?  I cannot get VoiceOver to read the 
document area at all.


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On Mar 10, 2015, at 5:04 PM, mattias jonsson <m...@mjw.se> wrote:

word seems work but i cant find how  to disable the document pane
10 mar 2015 kl. 20:50 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>:

Outlook is included within that PKG, yes.  Beware though, I haven't actually 
tested it for accessibility, so I'm sorry to say I cannot be of much help there 
at this given time.  I hear, however, that it's supposed to supposedly be 
fairly doable.

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" <m...@mjw.se>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:34 PM
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any outlook app too?

Christopher-Mark Gilland skrev den 3/10/2015 8:31 PM:
Here you go, my friend.  I hope that this helps.  This link should be the 
direct download to the .PKG file.

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849

Best of luck with it!

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" <m...@mjw.se>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Disabling the Document Pane in Office Word 2016 Preview?


where do you find the preview?

Eileen Misrahi skrev den 3/10/2015 7:29 PM:
Hello List,

I have installed the beta Microsoft Office 2016 on my MacBook Air 2013. It 
would be nice to be able to disable the “Document” Pane. I believe that the 
edit field is under it and the pane is blocking it from voiceover. Hence, this 
makes Word not accessible to us. I was attempting to send Microsoft some 
feedback, but when I clicked on the feedback tab in Word preferences, there was 
no method to do this. Has anyone figured out the magic steps to get rid of the 
“Document” pane yet? And, does anyone have the contact to send constructive 
criticism to Microsoft?

thanks in advance.

Warmest regards,
Eileen

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