um yeah. that starts to sound way too complicated. Also, ORCA (the screen 
reader I use in Linux) doesn't have a port to macports. it also has a lot of 
dependencies that aren't there either. building stuff that strictly uses a 
console (or terminal) window is easy and those programs just work. its anything 
that requires X which is being the pain.

-eric

On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:13 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> In some ways, once you get outside text-based terminal apps, you're in a 
> whole other environment in the X11 world. I'm not nearly as familiar with how 
> accessibility is done there but I'm pretty sure voiceover will not help you 
> there. From the XWindow Wikipedia page:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Computer_accessibility_related_issues
> 
> "However there is no accessibility standard or accessibility guidelines for 
> X11. Within the X11 standards process there is no working group on 
> accessibility, however, accessibility needs are being addressed by software 
> projects to provide these features on top of X.
> 
> The Orca project adds accessibility support to the X Window System, including 
> implementing an API (AT-SPI). This is coupled with Gnome's ATK to allow for 
> accessibility features to be implemented in X programs using the Gnome/GTK 
> APIs. KDE provides a different set of accessibility software, including a 
> text-to-speech converter and a screen magnifier. The other major desktops 
> (LXDE, Xfce and Enlightenment) attempt to be compatible with ATK."
> 
> So it sounds like individual apps implement accessibility rather than having 
> it baked into the infrastructure or they rely on another layer on top of X11 
> and not all apps use this layer. In other words, layers of goo that seems 
> unlikely for the average person to get all working correctly.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 11/26/14, 4:46 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> hello everyone,
>> are there any interface experts on here that can suggest how to make macport 
>> compiled programs accessible with voiceover? The problem I see is that 
>> almost all of them use X11 as their presentation platform. THere are a few 
>> that also have the AQUA interfaces that can be made, but the utilities I 
>> want do not have this as a feature.
>> 
>> suggestions? comments?
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
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