I see. I didn't know you didn't have to deal with the rental thing to get this. Some article I found suggested that if you didn't, you would have a $80 plan for the iPhone 6, but one can't trust all the articles that third parties post.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica Moss" <junglebookfa...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Handoff on iPhone 4s


You're right, but you don't have to do the rental portion of it if you don't want to, so probably will just buy the phone outright, sense I don't want to end up with a $90 bill then have to be forced to give the phone back at the end of it all.
On Sep 22, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:

I think the $50 plan is only available on the 6 or 6+. If I got it right what I've found online, you effectively have a $70 per month bill, with $20 of it being what you pay monthly on the phone. I wonder what the real difference is with this technically being a rental? Could they decide to not offer this in the future and demand it back?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica Moss" <junglebookfa...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Handoff on iPhone 4s


I plan on upgrading too as well, and not necessarily because I want to, but unfortunately because Sprint requires it in order to get their $50 unlimitted plan, which I'd love to have compared to their $60 one they already have that will save me some money in the longrun, but would be willing to settle for a 5s if need-be, considering the fact that sense upgrading to ios8, my 4s is now running a bit slower than it used to, which can be frustrating at times.. I love the features it has though, but am still having to play around with it though, but it seems to have more spoken feedback, which I like. Something I'm confused about though, does this "people," feature that always runs in the background consume your battery life, sense it runs in your app switcher and there's no way to close it? On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:40 AM, Pamela Francis <gypsykitt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Please do not take my letter as bashing the OS for being an improvement on whatever Apple has had. It merely does not make sense to me no matter whether it's Apple or android that whatever equipment they claim is supported within an update cannot accept the entire update. I read the release notes. I took a chance. I am not complaining about what I did or didn't do. Apple along with any other manufacturer has a degree of planned obsolescence with any of their equipment. If within their beta testing and developer reviews, it would seem to me it would be more fair to the customer to disallow the update rather than give someone who is running an older device a half-baked OS. With all the trade in programs the carriers offer, there may be people who get used equipment at a discounted rate or for free who have never had experience with the apple ecosystem. That equipment may run the latest software, yet cannot make use of whatever features one may need. I remember when Siri came out on the iPhone for S. At the time, the iPad 2 had a similar processor. Yet it was claimed not to have had as good a microphone, and therefore could not have Siri. During the cycle of that equipment, we as Apple consumers were half promised we would get Siri in an iPad update. It never happened. Yep, there were and still are apps on the web that will serve the same purpose. Unless Apple has gotten really sloppy, they surely keep track of what apps are in and out of there App Store. In so doing, they know what people can use for what tasks. It's a good OS. I only wish they would be a little more truthful with their consumers, especially given all of the changes that are made each year to their various equipment. As I said earlier, I would rather know upfront whether or not my equipment would except a given update or how many future updates it could conceivably except than have a half-baked product. With the most recent release of the iPhone six and 6+, you and I both know they are at work on the next iteration of the OS. I'm going to upgrade. However, it would almost seem that be at Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc. would have to tell a consumer in advance how many future updates that equipment can and will accept. If that were able to happen, the consumer, who in this economy, has to be conscious of his/her dollars would know what they were getting and how much use they would get for their money. I'll close with a case in point. My 2013 Nexus seven will get android L. My 2012 Lexus will not. I know that find up ahead of time to make a decision whether or not to replace my equipment.
Thank you ever so much for reading.
Pam Francis

On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:34 AM, Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote:

How would you be any better off if told your device didn't support the upgrade at all compared with being able to upgrade but not use all features? At least some of the features are available and some new features are surely better than no new features? Anyway, whether or not you upgrade is a choice. You're not forced to upgrade. I haven't and won't upgrade my 4S because I suspect iOS 8 will run slower on it than iOS 7, and that's more important to me than the new features. And because of this I'll wait until I buy an iPhone 6 before using iOS 8. So I think it's a little disingenuous of you to choose to upgrade and then complain that you get some new features but not all, but then say you'd prefer to have no new features. Why don't you just read the release notes for which features are supported on which devices if you don't want to only have some features but not all?

On 22 Sep 2014, at 5:33 am, Pamela Francis <gypsykitt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I am becoming very disenchanted with iOS and its fragmentation when they release an update, the feature list should work on all supported devices. I understand the need for progress along with the fast pace movement of technology in this day and age. Apple's products are high-end at a premium price. Not everyone who uses their products is named Rockefeller. I would rather be told my phone cannot except the update than half the features work Half -assed. . In my opinion, they are being very disingenuous to those of us who have come to truly depend on them for accessibility purposes. No, I do not expect to be handed a phone or tablet for free. However I do expect the devices I currently own that are supposed to support the update to fully support it. Shame on Apple!



Pam Francis

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