I would rather be able to use the braille display only but this isn't always 
possible. for instance, there is no double-tap-and-hold equivalent for the 
braille display as far as I know. Also, sometimes if I lose my place as to 
where my cursor is, doing a quick arrow with my bluetooth keyboard while having 
my other hand on the braille display clarifies things. Probably that's because 
I am not proficient enough to always figure out how to do the arrowing I want 
to do with the braille display.

> On Aug 16, 2014, at 12:30 PM, The Believer <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   This is exactly how I view the use of a braille display connected to OS X, 
> iOS or Windows. Its fine to take one's hands off the braille keyboard to 
> interact directly with the connected system but in my limited experience to 
> date, I can do it all from my braille display.
> 
>   For some of us with less than good hearing, it is in fact important to 
> learn to use the braille display exclusively should that hearing take a 
> vacation. To that end, I am developing a backup plan so hearing people can 
> still communicate with me thru the braille display and iPhone.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>  What if it were true?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/16/2014 10:22 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:
>> Um.. Can you explain this more?
>> 
>> I think you should be able to go anywhere a sighted preson can go on the 
>> screen, etc.  I also think that navigating with the display, if it has an 
>> input keyboard, should be possible with as little interaction with the print 
>> keyboard as possible, so that you can just have your hands on the braille 
>> display.
>> 
>> Cait from Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Without knowing any details, i suspect that this has to do in different 
>>> ways of working with Braille. We europeans are used to a mor independent 
>>> braille cursor, so to speak. We like to work with braille as a should we 
>>> call it free entity for lack of a better word. The Americans however are 
>>> used to the braille display just echoing what the speech says and having 
>>> the speech be the main way of working with computers, am i right in this? 
>>> If not, please feel free to correct me.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 16 aug 2014 kl. 18:38 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Actually i do not like the support of braille that much.
>>>> Its quite limited and sadly they seem to not understand this on the 
>>>> accessibility team.
>>>> /A
>>>> 15 aug 2014 kl. 15:07 skrev Jack and Becky <ican...@jackzee.org>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Greeting Folks!  I am a brand spanking new Mac user. Just starting hfind  
>>>>> my way about on it. I have a Mac book  Pro. Running  the  latest version 
>>>>> of Mavericks.  I am using a braille edge and am finding the interface  to 
>>>>> be somewhat messy.  I should add that I am a deaf person and  Cannot use 
>>>>> speech at all!  For instance there's a line of dots at the bottom of the 
>>>>> display which I believe are called attributes?  This is to say the least 
>>>>> somewhat distracting. Also though I have my BE. set  to Grade two 
>>>>> translation there  is no such though strangely enough there is with my 
>>>>> pacMate display which doesn't look like it will be useable in this 
>>>>> regard.  If I am wrong in that someone please set me straight.  Anyhoo, 
>>>>> where Do I go to find braille settings and how do I clean things up just 
>>>>> a bit??  Also for those of you if there are any out there who use a 
>>>>> braille display with your Mac how do you find the experience?? Thanking 
>>>>> you kindly in advance  I am cordially yours    Jack Zimmerman
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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