Hello,
Now I know why I belong to this list. There are those of you on here who are 
very helpful, detailed, and willing to give useful instruction freely. I am 
most grateful 
 thank you

Pam Francis

On Aug 16, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Paul Erkens <paul.erk...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pamela,

Dropbox won't show you anything useful when you launch the app from your 
applications folder, as someone else already wrote. A way to determine if 
dropbox is currently running, is to check your finder status menu, using VO 
plus m, as in mike, twice in succession as you hold the VO keys down. Once you 
are in the status menu bar, find dropbox using VO left or right. If dropbox is 
running, you will find its menu item here. If not, the dropbox item won't be 
there.

Once you are on the dropbox menu item, hitting VO space won't help. On my 
Mavericks system, it did the trick to hit VO command plus f5, followed by VO 
shift space. This command VO f5 keystroke will take the mouse pointer right to 
where you are working with the VoiceOver cursor. Then, you can let VoiceOver 
perform a real mouse click, using VO plus shift space.

One way you might want to  remember this keystroke is the following: VO plus 
space clicks as usual, where the click is performed at the screen location of 
your VoiceOver cursor. The real mouse pointer stays where it is in this case. 
Whereas, if you hit VO space combined with shift, so VO shift space, then 
VoiceOver clicks on the screen for you, at the spot where your real mouse 
pointer currently is. Having said that, now the dropbox dialog should be open.

Now, go all the way to the end of the screen, and you will find a settings 
button there. Try VO space clicking this. If a menu does not appear, then do 
the same trick as above. Route your mouse pointer to this settings button using 
VO command f5, and have VoiceOver do the real mouse click for you using VO 
shift space. On my Mavericks system, the context menu then opens. From it, I 
can see how much dropbox space I'm using, and there is also a menu item to quit 
dropbox if you need that.

Regarding what you can share and what you cannot share:
Dropbox starts you out with a certain amount of storage, something like 2 
gigabytes. So, anything larger than that, obviously won't fit, so you cannot 
share anything larger than your storage space in dropbox. 

If you want, you can increase your dropbox space in a number of ways. The 2 
free ones I know of, are:
1. You can use the dropbox website, log in there with your email address and 
dropbox password, and then you can refer some of your friends to dropbox, 
hoping they will start using it. If one of them installs dropbox, then both of 
you will get extra space. I don't know how that currently is, but it used to be 
500 mb. So, starting out with 2 gb free dropbox space, referring dropbox to 2 
friends already gives you an extra 1 gb. As I said, it is not enough to refer. 
Only if they really download and start using dropbox, you will gaign extra free 
space in your own dropbox.

2. If you have an iphone or ipad, and you have dropbox installed on it, you can 
go into the dropbox settings there, and then turn on camera uploads. What that 
does is, that when you take any picture or video with this I device, it will 
automatically upload straight into your private dropbox folder. I don't know 
why dropbox gives you bonus space if you turn that on, but it did indeed 
increase my dropbox space.

Once you have dropbox running, then in your finder home directory, command 
shift h, besides all your other stuff like documents, music, movies etc, you 
will find a new folder called dropbox. If you want to share a file with someone 
else, here is one way to do that.

First, place the file you want to share into this new dropbox folder. So, 
command c on the file, then go command shift h to land in your personal home 
directory, and then go into your dropbox folder. Once there, hit command v to 
paste the file and it will be there. Once the file is in this folder, the 
dropbox program that was installed on your mac, sees this new file coming in. 
This will automatically start the upload process. The file will then go from 
your mac dropbox folder, over to the dropbox.com website. Once it is stored on 
dropbox.com, other people can download that file, but only if you give them the 
link to that file. A way to do this, is the following.

To get the link to your file on dropbox.com, simply go into your dropbox folder 
on your mac, hit VO shift m to open the context menu, and beside menu items 
like open, move to trash etc, you will also find an item labeled share dropbox 
link. Hit that, and safari will open with the dropbox site. Take a close look 
at this site, and fill in the email address of the recipient of the file. There 
will also be a button like send, okay or something alike. Once you complete 
this form on the website, your recipient will receive an email message, 
containing the link to the file on which you hit VO shift space, and chose: 
share dropbox link. Once your recipient receives this email message and clicks 
this link, their browser will go over to dropbox.com, and get the file there, 
downloading it to your recipient's computer. That is one way to share a single 
file. This is handy, in instances where you incidentally send someone a file.

Now let's say, that your recipient and also you yourself are already using 
dropbox. Then if you regularly exchange files, what you  could do, is create a 
shared dropbox folder. Say you call this folder: Pam and John. This is a 
folder, that you create yourself, in finder, as a subfolder of your mac's 
dropbox folder, on your machine. Then, you tell the dropbox website that there 
is one special folder inside your own dropbox, named Pam and John. If you 
choose to share a folder with someone else, you tell the site which folder you 
want to share, in this case Pam and John, and then the site will send an email 
to John. In it, there's a link to accept sharing a folder from you. If he 
accepts, then in his own dropbox folder, your new Pam and John folder will 
appear as well. So, from now on, you have a Pam and Jon folder, while John has 
the same folder in his dropbox folder as well. From now on, if you put a file 
inside the dropbox/Pam and John folder on your own machine,then John will 
immediately receive a copy of that file, and you're done. Here's how this 
actually works. 

The new file inside the shared Pam and John folder, will first upload to 
dropbox.com as usual, but then the next time John turns on his machine, and 
dropbox starts there, then dropbox.com will automatically send him the new 
contents of the folder you are now sharing.

In short: once you have a shared dropbox folder with someone else, and you want 
to send a file to your friend, all you do is put that file in your shared 
folder, wait till it is uploaded to dropbox.com, wait till it automatically 
downloads into his machine, and then your friend has the file. If any of you 
two delete the file from your shared folder, then it will also be removed from 
dropbox.com, and also from your friend's shared dropbox folder. So in a way, 
you have limited control over files that appear on your friend's computer, 
because you can make files appear and disappear, as long as you work inside the 
shared dropbox folder on your own mac. All actions you take there, like adding, 
even editing a file, will then be syncrhnized to your friend's machine. This 
dropbox feature is very useful. And it actually works both ways. Just because 
you created and shared this folder, does not give you any extra possibilities. 
Both you and John can now manage this shared folder, that's it.

A shared dropbox folder is the simplest way I know of, to quickly share one or 
more files with a friend. Just put it into the shared folder and your friend 
has it in seconds. Only setting up the shared folder is a little bit cumbersome 
on the dropbox site as far as I remember, but it's doable.

Hth,
Paul.



> On Aug 16, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Pamela Francis <gypsykitt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Deb,
> At least I know I'm not crazy.
> The question I would have if I can't open the app or control its menus 
> without a real mouse, how do I determine what I can and can't share or who 
> can & can't share files or folders with me?
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Aug 16, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Deb Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dropbox does not do anything when you open the app except start the app. If 
> you are not signed in, you will have to do this from the context menu. As I 
> recall the only way you can open that context menu is using the real mouse. 
> When it's finally set up there will be a folder in your home directory but 
> the app will always look blank if you open it.
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Pamela Francis <gypsykitt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list,
>> I have an issue with an installation or lack of with dropbox on my Mac. I'm 
>> signed up correctly on their website. It says I have not installed the 
>> application. However it shows up in my applications folder. When I try to 
>> open it, I get no screen of any kind. I thought about uninstalling the whole 
>> thing & starting over, yet it won't let me because it says it's still open. 
>> How do I close it when I don't know how to get to it or can't get its menus 
>> to stay open? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.  
>> 
>> Pam Francis
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