Hello Anders, You can move the mouse with any device that allows a person to move the mouse pointer. I use the track pad on my MBA. However, there is also Mouse keys which you configure in System preferences/Accessibility. Once configured, you press the Option key 5 times and you can then move the mouse using the keys around the letter 'i'. So, 'u' will move the mouse to the left, 'k' will move the mouse down, etc. 'i' clicks the mouse. You have to turn Mouse keys off again to continue using VO commands.
Cheers, Anne On 8 Aug 2014, at 19:14, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: > Hi! > Just a question which might be stupid but can you use a magic mouse or other > with voiceover? > Or how do you move the mouse? > /A > 8 aug 2014 kl. 09:55 skrev Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com>: > >> Some tabs are the letter indexes and some are the headings. I don't think >> that matters though. It's just a miner bug that doesn't seem to affect >> anything. The mouse should read what the voiceover cursor reads in the >> reference tabs. >> I don't think that the mouse is moving to the tabs for whatever reason. >> That is the problem. Something about the way the window is positioned or >> the way things are laid out in the layout area is causing the mouse to get >> stuck. You can turn on speak text under the mouse in vo utility and move the >> mouse around. That might give you an idea of where it is. >> Try using one of the templates to see if you still have this problem. I'm >> using the grade book for this. Also, try moving the window over to the >> right just to see if anything changes. You can do this by pressing vo-` and >> right arrow. Press escape when your finished. Note that this is a long >> shot, but it's this or one of the things I've mentioned that is causing this. >> Good luck. >> >> >> On Aug 8, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> After checking VO Utility turns out I didn't have the mouse pointer >> following the VO cursor. I changed this so now it is. I checked and the >> magnification was set to 1. >> >> I tried again but still got the same result with the mouse down opening the >> menu. >> >> When you bring the mouse pointer to the column reference tab, what does >> VoiceOver tell you is under the mouse pointer? For me it gives the text in >> cell 1 of the relevant column. >> >> Perhaps I just have a dud version. :) Might have to get a sighted person to >> take a look at what the mouse is doing. >> >> For reference, I'm running Numbers version 3.2 (1861). >> >> >> On 8 Aug 2014, at 3:33 pm, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, unfortunately it sounds to me like you are doing everything right. >>> I've noticed the funk sound myself and it doesn't seem to matter. I've >>> tried it myself in full screen and regular and both with mouse following vo >>> and not but all with the same results. I just can't make it fail. >>> >>> If you git a menu when you lock the mouse, it means that it isn't in the >>> right place. So it sounds to me as it the mouse isn't moving to vo as it >>> should. I recommend going in to voiceover utility/visuals and make sure >>> that if show voiceover cursor is checked that the magnification is set to >>> 1. I've noticed that if it is set higher, then many times the mouse wont >>> route to vo correctly. If that doesn't help than you might need to move >>> the window around. >>> The only time I get the menu that you mentioned is when I control click in >>> a table cell. But it sounds to me like you are in the reference tabs as >>> you should be. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Nicholas Parsons >>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Barry, >>> >>> In that case I did understand you correctly. Yes, I routed the mouse to the >>> VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before pressing mouse down (even though this >>> is often not necessary when I have the mouse pointer to always follow the >>> VO cursor). I also tried bringing the active window to front with >>> VO-shift-F2, hiding other applications with command-option-h, and making >>> Numbers full screen. Some of the times when I would try and see what was >>> under the mouse pointer with VO-F5, I would just get a funk sound telling >>> me there was some problem. However, other times it would announce the >>> header of the column but the moving process still didn't work. I did >>> notice, however, that when I would check what was under the mouse pointer >>> it would tell me the header name, not the letter of the column. Not sure if >>> this has something to do with the problem. >>> >>> >>> On 8 Aug 2014, at 2:04 pm, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Nicholas. >>>> >>>> After you selected the tab with vo-space, did you route the mouse to vo >>>> with vo-command-f5? You want to do that before you lock the mouse. That >>>> is the only reason I can come up with as to why the menu was activated. >>>> You might try hiding any other open windows with command-option-h before >>>> routing the mouse in case something is interfering with it. >>>> After you lock the mouse, you move vo to the tab that you want to move the >>>> column to and release it. Let me know if I need to explain something >>>> further. I've tried this many times and never had it fail. It only takes >>>> seconds. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons >>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Barry and Phil, >>>> >>>> Thanks both for your help. >>>> >>>> Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me >>>> further than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a >>>> bit flaky. I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After >>>> VO-spacing on the column reference tab for the column I wanted to move, I >>>> pressed mouse down with VO-command-shift-space. Sometimes doing this >>>> caused the menu to pop up with the sort and filter options etcetera. Other >>>> times it didn't. But it never said anything about moving, and moving to >>>> another column and pressing mouse up didn't have any effect. Pressing >>>> VO-comma would still announce, 'Marked column X for drag', or whatever, >>>> but when I'd try and drop it would often say the marked item is no longer >>>> in view, even though I had only tried to move it one column over, and >>>> other times it would say 'column X inserted', but would actually not have >>>> moved the column at all. >>>> >>>> Phil, the formulas are my own but the column I want to move is in a data >>>> table and the formulas and functions I have in the summary tables are >>>> quite complicated, and I don't really want to look through every one to >>>> find if any use relative references and would break. In any event, I'd >>>> like to learn how to move columns (as opposed to copying and pasting) to >>>> enhance my Numbers toolbox and ensure that for this time and for the >>>> future I am able to move columns without upsetting formulas. Having said >>>> that, I appreciate your pragmatic suggestions and might ultimately have to >>>> resort to that or to asking for sighted assistance. >>>> >>>> many thanks again and if you have any other help, thoughts or suggestions >>>> I'd love to hear them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 Aug 2014, at 11:15 pm, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new >>>>> column where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of >>>>> the column, then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire >>>>> column. Then do an option right arrow at the column after which you want >>>>> the data to appear. Of course, don't forget to copy the selected fcolumns >>>>> first, then paste into the newly created column. This may still mess up >>>>> your formulas depending on whether you used relative or absolute >>>>> addressing. >>>>> >>>>> That gets fairly tricky. I don't know if you're writing your own >>>>> formulas, or if these are someone else's. But, the addressing system they >>>>> use will determine if the formulas can be moved from one position to >>>>> another without screwing them up. >>>>> Sent from my IPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:10 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to work out how to move columns in Numbers without upsetting >>>>>> formulas etc. Sighted people can just click on the column reference tab >>>>>> and drag the column left or right to the new location. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've tried getting into the column reference tab with VO-shift-backslash >>>>>> and then selecting column reference tab, and then using the VO commands >>>>>> to drag and drop. However, this never works. It seems more than just the >>>>>> usual flakiness, it just never seems to have any effect, even though >>>>>> VoiceOver announces that the column has been inserted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> Barry Hadder >>>> bhad...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> Barry Hadder >>> bhad...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> Barry Hadder >> bhad...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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