hi, i think and i can be wrong, at the same time i am pretty amazed, keep reading and find out why. NFB, is mostly like DBS in denmark, in norway and sweeden it is no doubt called something else. Some else talked about stereotypes, she got a good point. For not long ago a person from DBS was visiting me, i was like sad for hours after he had left. Both organizations have only one thing in mind, make any person with a sight problem label on them look the same uniformly cutesy, but guess what, it will never ever work cause we are all different. So Instead of harping on about apple time and time again, why not start making some of these so called self driving cars? I got some sight back for like 4 years ago and concequensly took and ended a nursing education. Hard but worth it. Fine i as a really stubborn girl would not in a lifetime have been able too do that with out my mba, nor would i have been able too drive round too the different patient with out the iPhone and maps on it. We all are totally different, some of us like reading all day long, whilst others of us, i am realizing not all have that option, but do like swamping huge cars through lakes, train Amstaffs and Rottweilers. Talked with a person from DBS for sometime ago. i was like after he had gone… oh boy you sure aint from the sticks, or you got a … seriously boring life. I really would have liked seeing him making wood with the Partner, wait maybe not it may as well have ended in a accident. It is pretty simple, before NFB and others like them understands that we as humans have the ability too make informed decisions for our selves without them telling how they believe our life should and should not be. I don't see us getting any changes.
On 7/12/14, 'David Goldfield' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > If you are one of the readers who are openly critical of the NFB's > resolution, I'm wondering if you Have actually read Jonathan Mosen's > excellent and balanced response? If you have not, may I kindly suggest > that you do so. Some of you may not care if all apps are accessible and > are willing to use itunes to locate alternatives which are. While you > do that, please bear in mind that the reason for why your beloved iTunes > is so accessible is due to advocacy on the part of the NFB. Do you > seriously believe that all of these companies who have implemented so > much accessibility into their products and services did so out of the > goodness of their heart or because it was the right thing to do. I > truly wish that had been the case but it often is not. Honestly, this > is like criticizing a rule which gives you the right to criticize. > > Feel free to visit my new Web site > http://www.DavidGoldfield.info > > Feel free to visit my LinkedIn profile > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-goldfield/12/929/573 > > Visit my blog > http://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com > > Follow me on Twitter > http://www.twitter.com/davidgoldfield > > > David Goldfield, > Founder and Peer Coordinator > > Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired > > On 7/12/2014 9:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> I cannot imagine it being about anything else but nfb getting money in >> exchange for building in limitations. >> Granted I make no secret of choosing my own dictionary. >> But why on earth in the 21st century is anyone still worshiping at the >> nfb altar anyway? >> So they pass a resolution...and? >> The only reason apple feels they must entertain them, is because other >> customers do not indicate they have minds imaginations and interests >> of their own. >> a bunch of people gave this organization power, those same people, who >> BTW have within themselves the ability to write their own >> dictionaries about blindness and anything else, can tell the nfb they >> have out grown the need for such a body anymore. >> I simply do not understand why one conformity is exchanged for >> another, one person's ideas of limitations exchanged for those the nfb >> create with their mindset. >> Kare >> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> >>> Karen: >>> I fully agree. It really does feel like we're slapping Apple in the >>> face, forcing them to conform. I really really hope this doesn't >>> work, because it's going to create a huge mess and totally redefine >>> apps. Not everything is accessible but that really is fine with me; >>> usually I can find an app that is. It's what happens when you use >>> anything, really. My thoughts are mainly money based: how much money >>> will NFB get for consulting for something like this, and secondly how >>> is this trash going to redefine apps on the iPhone? It's not going to >>> be all that hard for NFB to use their power to force things into >>> IOS/apps that don't need to be there, force things out, etc. >>> >>> On 7/12/2014 9:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>> Let me see if I understand this. >>>> Apple who has built in innovation on its own must discuss with the >>>> nfb how >>>> to now limit that innovation to fit the nfb's one size fits all >>>> definition >>>> of blindness? as in all blind people are interchangeable, and the >>>> nfb is >>>> the only source to tell you how to find a plug and play blind >>>> person by >>>> which you measure what works for them...all 400 plus million of them? >>>> I wonder how much money they plan on extorting for this dialog? >>>> Not only should it be a blanket resolution, BTW android phones are the >>>> most popular in use now according to annual surveys, but this dialog >>>> should involve many organizations, and a group of apple customers >>>> who are >>>> not members of a consumer organization whatsoever. >>>> The very suggestion that a single body is in a position to speak >>>> for every >>>> child born of women who happens to have the label blind attached to >>>> them >>>> is a stereotypes that really needs to end. otherwise the individuality >>>> that is the rich experience of redefining blindness is not going >>>> to exist >>>> for the millions who need not buy the nfb line to live freely and >>>> inclusively. >>>> Why does the nfb not spend its energy training software developers >>>> who fit >>>> their one size fits all blindness box? >>>> Many companies besides Apple would get the benefits that way. >>>> >>>> just my take, >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Pamela Francis wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hello, >>>> > I personally am not in favor of this resolution; not because I >>>> don't > want accessibility. Apple took the lead in making its >>>> products > accessible without government or organizational >>>> intervention. Microsoft, > on the other hand, allowed third-party >>>> vendors to do its work within > accessibility. Google, though it has >>>> come along way, still does not want > to adhere to its own >>>> standards unless it is pressed. >>>> > If there was a resolution to be had, it should've been a blanket >>>> > resolution for all companies dealing with accessibility. Picking >>>> on > Apple, is as if we as a blind community are slapping it in the >>>> face > given that it has continued its efforts to remain >>>> accessible. I > understand the need for utilitarian apps such as >>>> maps, transit maps, > notes, lists, etc. to remain accessible as >>>> they are a necessary function > in normal life. However, just to >>>> use as an example I don't necessarily > need Angry Birds to be >>>> accessible for my benefit nor do I need it to be > threatened to be >>>> kicked from the app store due to inaccessibility for > the sake of >>>> millions of people who enjoy it. >>>> > As we continue to strive for accessibility in all areas, we need >>>> not be > a bully to the company that went out of its way to make >>>> its products > accessible from the beginning. >>>> > We also do not need to be put into a societal box allowing >>>> electronics > manufacturers, appliance manufacturers, and the >>>> general public to > believe that all we are capable of is operating >>>> an iPhone. We are on the > cusp of choice. We have fought for >>>> choice for a long time. This type of > a resolution makes us look >>>> militant and ungrateful. What is fair for > one company is fair >>>> for all. >>>> > Pam Francis >>>> > > On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Terje Strømberg >>>> <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> > > The NFB Resolution is very important for all blind and low >>>> vision all > over the world. 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