Yes, maybe we could request this as a future feature request. Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > > Yes, but if the pronunciation of names by siri could be given to voiceover > it'd be good. > Devin Prater > d.pra...@me.com > > > >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jessica D <jldai...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> No, voice over and Siri are two completely separate things. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hmm, I wonder if you change the pronounciation with siri if vo will use it >>> too. >>>> On 7/1/2014 3:46 PM, Jessica D wrote: >>>> A pronunciation dictionary would be nice as well. I have a bunch of names >>>> in my contact list voice over refuses to pronounce correctly. Had this >>>> time, I cannot change that. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don’t know what to expect from IOS 8 but it would be nice if they could >>>>> continue the trend of voices. In the form of downloading voices you >>>>> actually want. Like on the Mac. >>>>> By example, say for those in the US, by default you get Samantha but you >>>>> actually preferred Tom for whatever reason. Or for UK folks, you get >>>>> Daniel but you would rather use Serena. So at the end of the day, you get >>>>> a choice. Of course, I don’t know if this will happen in IOS 8 but for me >>>>> I know it would be a welcome addition. >>>>> >>>>> Just my thoughts, for whatever its worth. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth >>>>>> <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in >>>>>> between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then >>>>>> do you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? >>>>>> >>>>>> Christopher Hallsworth >>>>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind >>>>>> www.hadley.edu >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>> I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, >>>>>>> and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first >>>>>>> big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were >>>>>>> able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just >>>>>>> in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for >>>>>>> multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully >>>>>>> surprised. >>>>>>>> On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>> Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your >>>>>>>> system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input >>>>>>>> directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere >>>>>>>> you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, >>>>>>>> so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the >>>>>>>> features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting >>>>>>>> release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at >>>>>>>> least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has >>>>>>>> done nothing. >>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to >>>>>>>>> see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features >>>>>>>>> to VoiceOver. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or >>>>>>>>> has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such >>>>>>>>> information. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new >>>>>>>>> accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I >>>>>>>>> am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides >>>>>>>>> the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which >>>>>>>>> podcasts I listened to. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro <mario....@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mario....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ok. >>>>>>>>>> seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over >>>>>>>>>> on IOS8. >>>>>>>>>> because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, >>>>>>>>>> nothing was done especially for vo. >>>>>>>>>> jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the >>>>>>>>>> new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if >>>>>>>>>> these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that >>>>>>>>>> nothing of the desires we all have been met. >>>>>>>>>> and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. >>>>>>>>>> I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... >>>>>>>>>> cheers . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other >>>>>>>>>>> languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with >>>>>>>>>>> the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be >>>>>>>>>>> useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom >>>>>>>>>>> users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a >>>>>>>>>>> disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Christopher Hallsworth >>>>>>>>>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind >>>>>>>>>>> www.hadley.edu <http://www.hadley.edu> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hi. >>>>>>>>>>>> alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the >>>>>>>>>>>> languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 >>>>>>>>>>>> vocalizer >>>>>>>>>>>> expressive voices? >>>>>>>>>>>> yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all >>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>> and not only for English USA. >>>>>>>>>>>> on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. >>>>>>>>>>>> who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> now speak about speak screen. >>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do >>>>>>>>>>>> specifically on the screen? >>>>>>>>>>>> because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector >>>>>>>>>>>> elements. >>>>>>>>>>>> with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the >>>>>>>>>>>> elements >>>>>>>>>>>> that can be found in the screen ... >>>>>>>>>>>> what makes this tool more? >>>>>>>>>>>> is this not more of the same? >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> selector elements. >>>>>>>>>>>> We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> informs us of what is on the screen. >>>>>>>>>>>> anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>> cheers. >>>>>>>>>>>> Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>> now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much >>>>>>>>>>>>> harder >>>>>>>>>>>>> than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn >>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail- >>>>>>>>>>>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reader >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lovely. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to simplicity there? LOL. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Extensions, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features for the mass market. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innovative as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moscone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trend with iOS 8. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briefly how each feature works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technologies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> queries >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen -- text, button labels, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in iOS 8. The hallmark feature is users now have the ability to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specify which part of the screen is zoomed in, as well as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of the zoom. In particular, it's now possible to have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual keyboard on screen at normal size underneath a zoomed-in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window. What this does is makes it easy to both type and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're typing without having to battle the entirety of the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface being zoomed in. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grayscale. iOS in and of itself doesn't have "themes" like so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> third-party apps support -- and even like OS X Yosemite's new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode". iOS does, however, support a pseudo-theme by way of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Invert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colors (white-on-black). In iOS 8, Apple is adding a second >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pseudo-theme to the system with Grayscale. With this option >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on, the entirety of iOS's UI is turned, as the name would imply, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gray. The addition of a Grayscale is notable because it gives >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users who have issues with colorized display -- or who simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darker displays better -- another way to alter the contrast of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> device(s). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guided Access. The big addition to Guided Access is that Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging its own new-to-iOS-8 Touch ID developer API to enable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users to be able to exit Guided Access using their scanned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fingerprint. This is a noteworthy feature because it effectively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guarantees that students (or test-takers or museum visitors) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave Guided Access to access the Home screen or other parts of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As well, Apple has added a time limit feature to Guided Access, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thereby allowing teachers, parents, and the like to specify the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length of time Guided Access is to be used. Especially in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education classrooms, features such as Touch ID to exit and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> timer can be extremely powerful in ensuring an uninterrupted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning experience, keeping students on task yet still set the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation that a transition (i.e., "You can play games now", >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance) will take place in X minutes. In terms of behavior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modification, Guided Access's new features are potentially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game-changing, indispensable tools for educators. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enhanced Braille Keyboard. iOS 8 adds support for 6-dot Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input system-wide. This feature involves a dedicated Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard that will translate 6-dot chords into text. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Made for iPhone" Hearing Aids. Apple in iOS 8 has improved its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for iPhone Hearing Aids software so that now users who use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aids and have multiple devices now can easily switch between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, if a hearing aid is paired with more than one device, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users will now be able to pick which device they'd like to use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third Party Keyboard API. This topic (as well as QuickType) is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worthy of its own standalone article, but the accessibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramifications of iOS 8's third party keyboard API are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge for those with special needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A third-party keyboard on iOS 8. (Source: Apple.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anecdotally speaking, I hear from several low vision iOS-using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends who lament the default system keyboard, which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same keyboard that shipped with the original iPhone in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, my friends say, is that the key caps are too small and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glyphs too hard to read. With the new API, though, third party >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers such as the team at Fleksy can create entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customized >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboards that users can use instead of the stock one. This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers can control key spacing and size, color, and so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forth in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an effort to create keyboards that accommodate for a wide array >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visual -- and motor -- needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, at WWDC I had a chance to speak with Fleksy co-founder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COO, Ioannis Verdelis, about the keyboard API and his company's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. While I won't divulge anything that was said at our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting, suffice it to say that Ioannis and his team were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stoked at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the news of the new API, and are really excited for what they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the works for iOS 8. They really believe the new Fleksy will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit a lot of people with special needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miscellany. iOS 8 brings with it a few housekeeping changes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings.app, where the Accessibility options are located. For >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, the Subtitles & Captioning option -- which previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found under Hearing -- has been moved to a new Media section, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next to a new Video Descriptions toggle. Furthermore, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physical & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Motor pane -- home to such features as Switch Control and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AssistiveTouch -- has been rechristened Interaction. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As stated above, Apple's steadfast commitment to improving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility year after year deserves the utmost praise, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no different. As someone who relies on some of iOS's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility technologies in order to use my devices, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breadth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and depth of these features never cease to amaze me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without any tinge of hyperbole, I often marvel at how truly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility reflects Apple's ethos of designing products for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone, regardless of cognitive or physical impairment. (A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentiment I have expressed numerous times elsewhere.) Again, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are signs of real innovation, although they (unfortunately) go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> largely unheralded. 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