this might sound obvious, but the best way to ensure you start up from your external drive is to go into the utilities menu, (I've temporarily blanked on the name of the utilities app that runs in the recovery partition) the one just to the right of the apple menu and choose startup disc. You can choose the thumb drive from there.
Teresa Slow down; you’ll get there faster. On Jun 7, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Are you sure that it’s actually starting up from the thumb drive? It sounds > like your Mini is starting up from the Recovery Partition instead. They do > look and feel just the same. I think that the second item when starting up > from the Recovery Partition says “Re-install MacOS X” whereas the thumb drive > should say “Install MacOS X”. Not sure but, I’ll keep trying if that’s not > the case. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > >> I was going off memory earlier, so misspoke a bit. I see “current, partition >> format, popup button, but it is dimmed. The table is not dimmed, and neither >> are the five tabs, but every other control in the Partitions Tab screen is >> unusable for some reason. Also, don’t worry about taking a while to get back >> to me; I avoid all website work for just the reason you described. <smile> >> I’m just glad for the help; as I said, the nearest Apple Store is hours >> away, and this machine isn’t covered anyway. >> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive. That is, >>> the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever make your HD is, >>> not the already partitioned volumes. Then, go to the Partition tab and >>> partition your HD with one partition, MacOS Extended (Journaled) with name >>> Macintosh HD. As well, press the Options button in this window and ensure >>> that your HD will have the GUID schema. Apply this change and you’ll have >>> one volume on your drive with name “Macintosh HD”. When you run the >>> Mavericks Installer from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be >>> automatically created. >>> >>> Hope this is clearer. Sorry for any confusion. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install Mavericks” >>>> articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. They seem to imply >>>> that you will magically have a Macintosh HD partition, even if it is the >>>> only partition on an otherwise blank drive, or that you simply don’t erase >>>> that partition at all. In your email, did you mean that the installer will >>>> automatically create a partition of the proper size and name if one does >>>> not already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so I >>>> want to do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks for your >>>> patience. >>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD. That is, after >>>>> starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and re-partition >>>>> your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD. Any subsequent >>>>> partitions should be done later on the live drive. This will ensure that >>>>> the Recovery Partition is created properly. Not sure where the other >>>>> individual got there info but this is sound practice. If you used >>>>> DiskMaker X to create your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb >>>>> drive or the built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks >>>>> Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be automatically >>>>> created. If you used the Disk Utility method, then the Recovery >>>>> Partition must have already existed in order to create a proper >>>>> installation. The problem in your case is that you need to do a total >>>>> re-format, so, using the existing Recovery Partition is not of any >>>>> benefit. Refer to >>>>> >>>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html >>>>> >>>>> for info on these limitations. In addition, if you didn’t perform a >>>>> complete wipe during your last clean install, these errors may have >>>>> carried over thus any disk structure issues would have persisted. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> Later… >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over to my >>>>>> external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just hung for about >>>>>> thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound I’ve come to dread. >>>>>> Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main partition won’t even boot. >>>>>> >>>>>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how to >>>>>> format the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then install, the >>>>>> question is, what do I do with my partitions? I have two, one Macintosh >>>>>> HD and one OS X Beta Partition. When I did a clean install back in >>>>>> March, I had only the Macintosh HD partition and so didn’t need to >>>>>> worry. I reformatted that partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as >>>>>> people I asked told me that completely erasing the Macintosh HD >>>>>> partition could turn out badly. Are you saying that I should format the >>>>>> entire drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it affect >>>>>> the installation of the OS, or will the installer partition as necessary? >>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping partitions >>>>>>> etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and re-partition anyway. >>>>>>> Regarding grabbing those files, if you startup from your thumb drive, >>>>>>> then go under it’s Apple menu to Startup Disk, you should be able to >>>>>>> select the 10.9.3 beta partition as your startup disk. if things are >>>>>>> OK in that area of the HD. Once you’ve started with that version of >>>>>>> the OS, you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto >>>>>>> whatever media you want. You could then go ahead and do the total >>>>>>> wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb drive. It’s >>>>>>> best to do it from there since it needs to be done from a external >>>>>>> source in order to completely reformat the drive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the drive is >>>>>>> in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use Terminal commands to >>>>>>> grab those files or just give up on them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve used >>>>>>>> before, and that I keep around now that we have a couple Macs in the >>>>>>>> house. I’ll use that. Before I do though, is there any way to copy off >>>>>>>> any other files I’d like to keep, ones I could recover but that it’d >>>>>>>> be easier just to have if I can get them? I could probably boot into >>>>>>>> that beta partition and copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the >>>>>>>> permissions to do that. I’ll also need a way to erase the beta >>>>>>>> partition, if that is indeed the problem. I only tested one OS, the >>>>>>>> 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could have caused the >>>>>>>> problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk Utility on the recovery >>>>>>>> HD, and if so, how would I do that and merge its space back to >>>>>>>> Macintosh HD? >>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software thing. >>>>>>>>> So, since you have a Time Machine backup that is fairly up-to-date >>>>>>>>> and you say that you have your important files backed up, I’d go for >>>>>>>>> the reformat and reinstall option. If you don’t have an external HD >>>>>>>>> or the cables that I mentioned earlier, there is a neat little >>>>>>>>> utility within the Mavericks Installer that allows you to build a >>>>>>>>> bootable Mavericks installer on a flash drive that is at least 8 GB >>>>>>>>> in size. If you wish to go that way, I can share instructions with >>>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:00 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You mentioned a 50GB partition for OSX betas. So were you running >>>>>>>>>> beta OSes on this box? If so, it's at least plausible that the beta >>>>>>>>>> OSX had some kind of bug which mangled data structures on the drive >>>>>>>>>> and, since it had access to your non-beta partition, it could have >>>>>>>>>> mangled your regular OSX boot drive as well. In other words, this >>>>>>>>>> could still have been a software issue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/14, 9:17 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> So, here's the status of my Mac Mini's hard drive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * Two repairs from the Recovery HD resulted in an error telling me >>>>>>>>>>> to format ad re-install. >>>>>>>>>>> * I did just that at the end of March, and given that two repairs >>>>>>>>>>> couldn't fix whatever errors have accumulated after three months, >>>>>>>>>>> it seems like the drive itself is having problems. >>>>>>>>>>> * The SMART status of the drive is "verified", not "failing", which >>>>>>>>>>> seems odd given the previous points. >>>>>>>>>>> * The drive is partitioned into two: 450gb for OS X, and 50gb for >>>>>>>>>>> OS X betas. I don't yet know if the beta partition works, but both >>>>>>>>>>> share a drive so I'm not optimistic. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas? I looked at replacing the drive, but the iFixIt >>>>>>>>>>> instructions are scary and require special tools. The Mini is not >>>>>>>>>>> under Apple Care protection, and my nearest Genius bar is almost >>>>>>>>>>> three hours away. Am I just doomed, or is there a >>>>>>>>>>> check/repair/miracle program I could run? 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