Was checking the Chirp site and apparently they wrote the app in
something called GTK or the GIMP Tool Kit which is an open
cross-platform widget toolkit for making graphical user interfaces. GIMP
is the open source Gnu Image Manipulation Program, a competitor to the
commercial Photoshop app and they developed GTK to implement the UI for
GIMP. So GTK's roots are in Linux. GTK does have an Accessibility
Toolkit or ATK but that was maintained primarily by Sun and those folks
were laid off when Oracle acquired them. So it's now maintained by
volunteers but it also has its roots in Linux. Unlike some other
projects they have written their own accessibility API and nobody
currently involved is going to be motivated to port it to OSX. So the
short version is that Chirp chose to write on top of a library which is
cross platform but not cross-platform accessible. Seems like the only
way to fix it would be for somebody to throw a bunch of money at the ATK
folks to get a Mac port done but who would do that? I'm sure the Chirp
guys are fully reliant on whatever GTK/ATK does for them as they are not
going to re-write the platform and they aren't going to rewrite the
whole thing as a native OSX app just for accessibility. So I wouldn't
hold out much hope. It's like asking Flash developers to re-create their
inaccessible stuff in HTML5. When your only tool is a hammer, all
problems look like a nail.
CB
On 5/3/14, 12:42 AM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote:
Hi. I am not a blind ham but am willing to throw my voice in there in order to
make the software accessible for someone that wants to use it.
Maria and Joe Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 3 May 2014, at 2:07 pm, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have been trying to get the developer of chirp to add some accessibility to
the app (considering that those class objects are included in python, there
shouldn't be an excuse not to). However, I have either been ignored (for the
most part) or had one of the other users on that mailing list try to argue that
we (as blind hams) are a too specialized population and too small to consider
changing some interface elements just for us.
what we need to do is find every blind ham who are interested in being able to program
their own radios and just barrage the list with the same request: "enable
accessibility features". If they get enough list traffic with this one subject, it
may make the developer realize that we are not an insignificant population. This
basically means we need to find, contact and convince every blind ham (quite a few of us
are mac users) and have them start this campaign. The only other way I can see to get him
to do what we want is to throw some money at him, post proof to his list and request that
he make the changes needed to allow us to use his software.
These are just 2 suggestions and both have their strong points. Frankly, I am
more than a little frustrated with software developers who are lazy and refuse
to do something the right way. IMHO, the right way produces better results than
the lazy way.
-eric
On May 2, 2014, at 6:58 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
From: Buddy Brannan <bu...@brannan.name>
Date: May 02 07:16AM -0400
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/806ab3c740dda0f2
I can guarantee you that Chirp is *not* accessible with Voiceover. For that
matter, it can only be used with lots of mouse keys navigation under Windows,
and most easily with Window-Eyes, in my experience.
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