Hi, 

I assume that this feature just means that you can "Read all" on web pages 
without the interruptions caused by  by problematic HTML elements, and just 
start and stop VoiceOver (by pressing the Control key).

One of the alternate web page reading schemes I use is to define a shortcut key 
for "New Window Containing Selection".  This is the Services menu option for 
sending whatever you've selected to a TextEdit window, so if you are at a web 
page in Safari and press Command-A to select all, followed by whatever shortcut 
key sequence you assigned to "New Window Containing Selection", a TextEdit 
window will pop up with the contents and VoiceOver will start reading 
immediately from TextEdit.  Of course, there are no problems with problematic 
HTML elements in TextEdit, and you can use Find, etc., start and stop 
VoiceOver, navigate to different portions of the document, etc. since TextEdit 
is very robust.  You can also read special characters and characters from 
non-Roman alphabets in TextEdit, which is a boon if you want multi-lingual 
control.  This does not put a big load on system resources, since the Services 
menu redirects the output.  Using an assigned shortcut for "New Window 
Containing Selection" is much simpler and faster than performing the following 
steps (after doing the "Select All" with Command-A):

1. VO-M to menu bar
2. Right arrow to App menu
3. Arrow down and press "S" to go to Services 
4. Right arrow to Services submenu
5. Up arrow to TextEdit
6. Right arrow to TextEdit submenu entry for "New Window Containing Selection"
7. Press enter to send selection to TextEdit

If you want to try this, you'll need to go to the Keyboard Shortcuts Tab of the 
Keyboard & Mouse Menu under System Preferences, and follow these instructions 
to assign a shortcut

• Navigate (VO-Right Arrow) past the table of shortcuts on the  
"Keyboard Shortcuts" tab to the button for adding shortcuts and press  
(VO-Space)
• In the Dialog window, VO-Right arrow past the pop up button for  
Application, which should be set to "All Applications",  and go to the  
text edit field after "Menu Title"
• Type (or paste in):  "New Window Containing Selection"   without  
the quote marks
• VO-Right Arrow to the Keyboard Shortcut field and type in your  
shortcut
• Press return or navigate to the "Add" button and press it (VO-Space)
• You'll be returned to the Keyboard Shortcuts tab window.  Command-W  
to close the window

Shortcuts on the Mac are read from application preference files when  
applications are opened.  When you close each app, the current  
preferences are re-written from temporary storage. So shortcuts must  
be assigned when applications are closed, or they will be over-written  
when you exit the app.  For system-wide apps, you need to reboot the  
system to have the shortcut take effect.

You might want to use one of the extended F keys on a full keyboard in  
combination with Command or Option or Shift.  The biggest issue with  
assigning system-wide shortcuts is the possibility of overwriting an  
existing shortcut that you eventually want to use.

Incidentally, if your TextEdit window is set up for Rich Text Format, you can 
even click (VO-Shift-Space) on links in the text from the web page (if you know 
where they are from context), and have Safari open up at the linked page you 
clicked in TextEdit.  Some things may not work -- if they didn't code the full 
path name in the link, or if the link is to a javascript, for example.

I've posted about this before, but for some reason this shortcut never caught 
interest on this list.

Cheers,

Esther

Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I don't care whether VoiceOver starts reading pages when it loads; a  
>press of Control would stop it if I didn't want it. But I do hope the  
>changes mean that it will be possible to start reading an article and  
>have voiceOver read the whole thing without my having to keep pressing  
>VO-Right or Numpad Right Arrow. That would be a wonderful change IMO.
>
>Best,
>Anna
>
>
>>
>
>

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