Right. And Flash assumes Flash is installed. This is why the new video tag is so important. All these plugins have been trying to address a gaping hole in the browser backplane. The inability to handle audio and video was not such a big deal when most folks were on dialup, but that's not the case anymore and I shouldn't have to rely on users having installed certain proprietary plugins just to do basic stuff. That said, I'm still unclear on the video tags codec support. It seems that on Safari it will playback any video that QT supports. That means with the XiphQT component installed you can play Ogg Theora. It's still a bit of a mess since different browsers on different platforms will have native support for different codecs. Ian Hickson wrote about this issue on Monday:
http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020620.html The interesting summary is this: <quote> The current situation is as follows: Apple refuses to implement Ogg Theora in Quicktime by default (as used by Safari), citing lack of hardware support and an uncertain patent landscape. Google has implemented H.264 and Ogg Theora in Chrome, but cannot provide the H.264 codec license to third-party distributors of Chromium, and have indicated a belief that Ogg Theora's quality-per-bit is not yet suitable for the volume handled by YouTube. Opera refuses to implement H.264, citing the obscene cost of the relevant patent licenses. Mozilla refuses to implement H.264, as they would not be able to obtain a license that covers their downstream distributors. Microsoft has not commented on their intent to support <video> at all." </quote> CB Alex Jurgensen wrote: > Hi, > Chris, > > This assumes that Windows has QT installed. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 2-Jul-09, at 9:12 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> With the current QuickTime it works fine in Windows. I was using QT >> mainly because I needed to put captions in the video and html >> controls on the page. I also wanted to use mp4 for it's smaller >> size/higher quality. My sample code links in a SMIL file for >> captions. QT has most of the basic controls accessible via Javascript >> so I could make links to toggle audio, captions and playback. This >> calls were >> >> document.movie1.Play() >> document.movie1.Stop() >> document.movie1.SetMute(muted) >> document.movie1.SetTrackEnabled(2,caption) - caption is either true >> or false >> >> where the embed tag for the quicktime sets the ID to be 'movie1' >> >> CB >> >> Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Windows can't play this. Neither can Linux. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 2-Jul-09, at 8:29 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >>> >>>> Hello; Thanks for that. I wish i had known, but the stuff i was >>>> reading on the web was talking about mp4 as if it wouldn't play in >>>> quicktime. Got any suggestions for how i create a download link to >>>> go with the streaming one? Thanks again, Max >>>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>> >>>>> Quicktime can play mp4 files just fine. The example I gave below >>>>> is from a working site with mp4 video embedded on it. >>>>> >>>>> CB >>>>> >>>>> Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >>>>>> Hello; This is pretty much what I had come around to. I don't like >>>>>> the idea of running something on my site that I can't use myself. I >>>>>> finally decided to search for a program that would convert my mp4 >>>>>> files to mov for quicktime. Turns out vlc which is free did the trick >>>>>> very nicely. Now, I have the file and the player embedded on my site, >>>>>> but I'm not sure how well its working. would appreciate it if someone >>>>>> would check the site and click on the watch video and tell me what >>>>>> they think. Still needs some tweeking i believe. Thanks, Max >>>>>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Flash works fine but is not accessible in Mac browsers. It has some >>>>>>> accessibility on Windows with Jaws (dunno about WindowEyes) but even >>>>>>> then it has to have been coded with labeled buttons and such. HTML5 >>>>>>> supports a new video tag which should be accessible but I haven't >>>>>>> tried >>>>>>> that out. What I have done is used quicktime to embed video in the >>>>>>> page >>>>>>> and then made HTML links to start and stop it. Here is a snippet of >>>>>>> code >>>>>>> which does this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <object classid="clsid:02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B" >>>>>>> codebase="http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab"; width="335" >>>>>>> height="312" id="movie2"> >>>>>>> <param name="src" value="/videos/accessibility/ >>>>>>> JawsFormGoodMarkup.mp4"> >>>>>>> <param name="qtsrc" >>>>>>> value="/videos/accessibility/JawsFormGoodMarkupQT.smil"> >>>>>>> <param name="autoplay" value="false"> >>>>>>> <embed src="/videos/accessibility/JawsFormGoodMarkup.mp4" >>>>>>> qtsrc="/videos/accessibility/JawsFormGoodMarkupQT.smil" >>>>>>> autoplay="false" >>>>>>> width="335" height="312" >>>>>>> pluginspage="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/"; >>>>>>> enablejavascript="true" name="movie2"> >>>>>>> </object> >>>>>>> <div> >>>>>>> <a href="#" onclick="document.movie2.Play();return false">Play good >>>>>>> form >>>>>>> markup video</a> >>>>>>> <a href="#" onclick="document.movie2.Stop();return false">Stop good >>>>>>> form >>>>>>> markup video</a> >>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You probably could do something similar for flash but the video player >>>>>>> you use would need to enable control by javascript. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello List; I need to know if there is a definitive answer about >>>>>>>> whether or not flash players and their files will play on a mac. The >>>>>>>> reason for this has to do with my website. I'm wanting to add a >>>>>>>> video, and everything I read seams to be about using some sort of a >>>>>>>> flash player. I've run across a lot of websites that talk about >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> a flv player. As macs seam to be gaining popularity I don't want to >>>>>>>> put something on my website that exclused people just because they >>>>>>>> aren't using internet explorer. I'll appreciate any help I can get. >>>>>>>> thank you, Max >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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