Perhaps that is the point I did n't make clear. There are some aspects  
that some may find difficult to navigate, but I myself may not. So,  
perhaps that is more my point than whether it is accessible or not. I  
understand what your saying, but I also submit that some find the  
navigation difficult and that may very well make it seem as though it  
is not accessible when it is. So, yeah, this is a thread really not  
worth continuing, but I am sure you see where I'm going.

On Jun 8, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

>
> Scott,
>
> I don't know what you mean as to what is accessible to one might not  
> be to
> another.  It either works or it doesn't.  If your are suggesting that
> accessibility is determined on someone's opinion, I have to  
> disagree.  If a
> screen can be read and manipulated with voice over, than it is  
> accessible
> with VO.  Otherwise, it isn't.  It isn't determined on the bases of
> somebody's opinion or VO skills.  Whether or not a person likes it,  
> or if
> the app in question can be made to work more productively is  
> something else
> all together.  Also, if a person is also deaf and there isn't a driver
> available for their Braille display, then that would be an  
> accessibility
> issue.
>
> I don't mean to belabor the point, but I think it is important to  
> avoid
> ambiguity when ever possible.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Howell" <s.how...@verizon.net>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 6:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Pages and VoiceOver
>
>
>>
>> I think you make some valid arguments, but remember that what is
>> accessible to one may not be to another. So, there are many aspects  
>> of
>> iWOrk 09, which are accessible and others which need work and no
>> argument there. So, you may not always get the feedback or response
>> you want from Apple, but I think nine out of 10 times they take the
>> reports and filter them to the appropriate folks. Unfortunately, the
>> one thing we don't know is what the level of feedback/issues reported
>> are or the size of the staff handling them. So, I agree with you, but
>> remember the level of accessibility will vary from person to person
>> based on what one considers accessible. Do keep the feedback coming
>> and bug the hell out of them. :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> >


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