Ken, sorry to see you go. By all means, prioritizing self care is
vital! I've experienced burn out with other libre/free open source
endeavors in the past (I stepped away as a contributing editor to
undeadly.org for over a decade when my marriage disintegrated and only
returned in a volunteer capacity in more recent years). I hope that
you are able to find some solace and ideally comfort and support off
list and wish there were more I could do to help.

Honestly, this has me wondering back to the January 27th mailing list
post from Ryan about seriously considering "permanently banning" Gagan
from the project and whether that might be a worthwhile subject to
revisit? At the time I was kind of looking on in horror and not really
taking an active role. If anything my post about funding to the
mailing list the other day was in hopes to maybe redirect attention to
endeavors that might be beneficial to MacPorts holistically even if
funding and grants are rather orthogonal to the typical modus operandi
of the volunteer nature of the project on the whole.

Gagan, with regards to, "for those in the audience whom i offended: i
apologise" [sic] I am not really feeling as if that is sufficient?
Albeit, I am at a loss for what useful reparation steps would be, I am
not a mediator by training.

You wrote something earlier when this was all transpiring and I was
"in the audience" (I hadn't realized I was in a playhouse, there was
no box office nor ticket stub provided to me at any rate. Particularly
given that I am an active MacPorts maintainer of a handful of
Portfiles and previously worked with jkh who was one of the
co-founders of MacPorts back when it was known as DarwinPorts) as you
phrased it:

"where i’m from, you treat others the way they treat you."

I have absolutely no idea where you're from, and I am not asking you
to volunteer such PII (Personally Identifying Information) but if "you
treat others the way they treat you" to me seems as if it is an
intractable modus operandi, in practice very similar to the cautionary
warning about, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind" in
response to Old Testament Biblical references from the Book of Exodus
21:23–27.

However, where I am from (California, incarnated as a human in the
late 20th century) your slovenly use of the English language, failing
to capitalize first words in sentences, or first person pronouns such
as "i" [sic] would have earned you failing marks in elementary/grammar
school.

I do not mean that to be condescending, it's just a matter of fact.

However, this isn't a school and I am not an individual with a
teaching credential.

If anything, as someone who has a B.A. in Language Studies and being a
polyglot, I tend to be extremely forgiving of others for whom English
is a second language. Moreover as a musician (and certified Hip Hop
Kultural Specialist at that), I tend to relish vernacular expressions
and slang, so I'm a pretty far cry from the stereotypical grammar nazi
who might harp on such things relentlessly, even if I had such
individuals as instructors in my educational background.

Such affordances aside, based upon what I have read that you have
submitted to the macports-dev@ mailing list? Gagan, you would not have
been given a modem by anyone with seniority as I was, decades ago as a
teenager, when a friend passed along his 1200 baud Hayes modem after
he had upgraded to 2400 baud modem.

At least when I was younger, getting online was a rite of passage. A
privilege, not a given. Consumer based operating systems did not ship
with TCP/IP stacks by default until maybe the mid 1990s?

So, if you were lucky enough to find a TCP/IP stack compatible with
your microcomputer and its OS on a BBS and download it via (again, if
you were lucky, something such as ZMODEM, with CRC32 error correction
and retransmission capabilities as contrasted with earlier more
brittle protocols with limited or no error correction) boot strapping
and configuring such a thing was still a very involved process which
might take days, even for someone like me. Moreover, I was relatively
blessed to have begun formal instruction in programming at the age of
six and had been exposed to computers and programming in less formal
settings even earlier. To this day the church my parents attended in
Menlo Park, shares a parking lot with SRI (Stanford Research
Institute) where Doug Engelbart kicked off the NLS (oNLine System,
later referred to as the Internet) in the 1960s. I knew Doug
personally, and Bill English (the inventor of the computer mouse)
personally before they passed away. Not just distant figures in some
textbook somewhere.

Moreover, should you have managed to make it online in the nascent BBS
scene in the 408 area code? You would have had your writings, as you
have submitted them to this mailing list in the year 2025 C.E. torn
apart mercilessly by more seasoned users who, like me, were already
proficient at coding in assembly for multiple different CPU ISAs and
maybe, like I had: already written their own linkers and assemblers
and were accustomed to interpreters and compilers throwing
catastrophic errors for so much as a misplaced semicolon.

Honestly, I never even owned a computer of my own until after I was
18! They were prohibitively expensive. I was repeatedly invited to
work on and improve systems many places, such as nps.navy.mil (now
nps.edu aka The Naval Postgraduate School) as a teenager. Their VR lab
had a Silicon Graphics (SGI) Reality Engine² Onyx which I was told
cost approximately $250,000.00 USD (circa 1993) that cost more than
the mortgage on my parents' home! It was considered a "privilege" just
for me to "get time" on such a system. It was unimaginable that I
would ever be able to afford to use such a computer at home. My dad's
Macintoshes, seemed downright primitive in contrast.

In other words, from my vantage, the entire macports-dev@ mailing list
has been extremely charitable to allowing your rants against Ken and
if we were to actually put things to a vote as far as whom should be
permanently banned from the project based on mailing list
contributions alone (let alone seniority within the project or merged
Pull Requests, and other potential metrics from maintainers and
contributors) you have already provided more than sufficient writings,
at least from my perspective to have justified a ban.

Thankfully, I am not currently in a moderator position! I am a burnt
out Senior System Administrator who contributes to MacPorts because it
feels as if it is giving back to a community that can use the help.
Honestly, despite my decades of expertise, it could use a lot more
help than I can currently provide given my own limited resources and
current financial and living conditions. Skills only go so far, some
things require, time, money, hardware and good will.

Gagan, I think you've exhausted Ken's good will and it is really
upsetting to see. Dismissing other macports-dev@ readers as "audience"
is diminishing as well; this isn't the macports-users@ mailing list,
after all. I don't even have the wherewithal to subscribe to that
personally at the moment; "I don't have sufficient spoons" for that
and as someone who doesn't tend to mince words, the fact that I am
taking time out of my hellish existence to even reply now is not a
good sign. If you expect me, or others to ever hold you with a shred
of respect or esteem, I think you are going to need to do a lot more
than that underwhelming apology.

As a native American English speaker, here's me being charitably
generous to you: we spell the word: "apologize" not "apologise" please
consult a lexicon or dictionary and act accordingly. Apple is, like
me, based in California. We don't abide by the "King's English" here,
monarchies and their colonialism are not to be respected; and if you
want to open that can of worms, be ready for a lot more nit picking.

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