Sorry, when I said switched I meant _not_ switched. Otherwise my answer wouldn't have made much sense...
So I don't see the problem Mr. Djobs is describing. On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Jens Nöckel wrote: > So far it seems that LyX 2.05 is working for me, with the Meta and Control > keys switched. I have Mac OS X 10.7.5 and can't test on 10.8. But if it turns > out that there's something wrong with the Cocoa Qt then one might want to go > back to the previous Qt because there isn't really any usability benefit to > the new one. After all, the main text editor window is still displayed > exactly the same on retina displays: not in high resolution. Only the menus > are rendered in high res now - at least that's what I'm seeing here. > > Jens > > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Stephan Witt wrote: > >> Am 21.11.2012 um 13:39 schrieb stiv. djobz. <stiv.dj...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> In the new release 2.0.5, the check box of "Do not swap Apple and Control >>> keys" does not work. >>> >>> I had this problem with 2.0.2 and asked questions as are quoted below. >>> I didn't have this problem with 2.0.3 and 2.0.4. But with 2.0.5, I have it. >>> >>> I think that some of you may have got new insights about this problem after >>> I asked questions about 2.0.2 >>> and may know how to solve this problem now. >>> >>> Would you give me any advice ? >> >> Hi Stiv, >> >> it looks like the difference between the working and the broken versions is >> the Mac OS framework Qt is compiled for. >> The newest one is made with Cocoa - the more modern API for Mac OS X - >> because of the high resolution display features. >> The 2.0.4 was built with the Carbon framework. But this isn't the whole >> story, there must be another difference. >> I say this, because it works for me on Mac OS X 10.6.8 and on 10.8.2 too. >> Just like it was with LyX 2.0.2. >> >> Currently I have no idea… >> >> Regards, >> Stephan >> >>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:39 PM, stiv. djobz. <stiv.dj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> It seems that in the new release 2.0.3., >>> the checkbox "Do not swap Apple and Control keys" >>> works. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> stiv. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM, stiv. djobz. <stiv.dj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I got the same results with a new user account. >>> (except "22:24:24.362" in the Progress/Debug messages below.) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> stiv. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> When I typed control + b, I got >>> >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): count: >>> 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 16777250 keyState: Meta- >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(621): >>> Getting key 16777250, with text '' >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(627): >>> Setting key to 16777250, >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>> is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>> KeySym is Alt_L >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>> is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>> isModifier is 1 >>> 22:24:24.362: Unknown >>> function./Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): >>> count: 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 66 keyState: Meta- >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(616): >>> keyevent has isNull() text ! >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>> is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>> KeySym is b >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>> is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>> isModifier is 0 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1686): >>> action first set to [] >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1694): >>> action now set to [] >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1705): Key >>> [action=][Command-B] >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(726): text_ >>> empty, isText() == false >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1732): >>> Unknown, !isText() - giving up >>> >>> When I typed command + b, I got >>> >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): count: >>> 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 16777249 keyState: Control- >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(621): >>> Getting key 16777249, with text '' >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(627): >>> Setting key to 16777249, >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>> is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>> KeySym is Control_L >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>> is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>> isModifier is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): count: >>> 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 66 keyState: Control- >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(616): >>> keyevent has isNull() text ! >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>> is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>> KeySym is b >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>> is 1 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>> isModifier is 0 >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1686): >>> action first set to [] >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1694): >>> action now set to [] >>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1705): Key >>> [action=][Control-B] >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Jens Nöckel <noec...@uoregon.edu> wrote: >>> So now it's becoming more likely that this is a low-level configuration >>> problem with Qt (although I'm by no means certain). To test this, a stab in >>> the dark suggestion would be: >>> >>> Create a new user account under the Mac's "System Preferences > Users and >>> groups" (you can of course delete this account again later, but this is a >>> way to start from a clean slate without hidden .files in your home >>> directory and other stuff in your ~/Library that could mess things up. >>> >>> Then launch LyX from there and see if that behaves properly when you check >>> the "swap" box again and restart LyX. >>> >>> Jens >>> >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2012, at 6:46 AM, stiv. djobz. wrote: >>> >>>> I tried 1) -- 8). >>>> I see the same problem as before. >>>> Command and control keys do not behave correctly. >>>> >>>> The result of 8) is >>>> preferences:\mac_dontswap_ctrl_meta true >>>> >>>> As for 5), in my case, Times is chosen at >>>> Preferences>Screen fonts>Roman >>>> from the first. >>>> >>>> stiv. >>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Jens Nöckel <noec...@uoregon.edu> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> since I don't see the problem on either OS X 10.6.8 or 10.7.2, I just >>>> tried the following steps on my OS X 10.6.8 machine: >>>> 1) >>>> Move ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.0 to the Desktop. >>>> >>>> 2) >>>> Fresh download of >>>> LyX-2.0.2+qt4-cocoa.dmg >>>> from www.lyx.org >>>> >>>> 3) >>>> Move old LyX out of Application folder >>>> >>>> 4) >>>> Install downloaded LyX and launch it >>>> >>>> 5) >>>> In an unrelated note, I noticed that the default screen font wasn't >>>> correctly displayed: should be Times but is Helvetica. So I chnaged that >>>> font to Times New Roman and the display worked again. >>>> >>>> 6) >>>> In Preferences, I then chose the xemacs bind file, and checked the box "Do >>>> not swap Apple and Control Keys" >>>> >>>> 7) >>>> I restarted LyX and opened a new document with Control-d (it worked as >>>> expected). I then started a new math display formula with Apple-d and it >>>> worked as expected. >>>> >>>> 8) >>>> To double check, I went to the Terminal and navigated to >>>> ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.0 >>>> then issued the command: >>>> grep dontswap * >>>> with the expected result: >>>> preferences:\mac_dontswap_ctrl_meta true >>>> >>>> The last point is something you should definitely check, too. If you do >>>> the same things (including step 1) but still have the problem, then one >>>> has to start worrying that perhaps Qt is doing something wrong. >>>> Essentially what the "don't swap" check box does is to set a Qt flag that >>>> gets updated when LyX starts up. I can't really see how anything on the >>>> LyX side should fail in that process. >>>> >>>> Jens >>>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Stephan Witt wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am 31.01.2012 um 16:36 schrieb stiv. djobz.: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> This is my first time to see the progress/debug messages... >>>>> >>>>> You're very clever ;-) >>>>> >>>>>> The responses seems to be different. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, unfortunately. I suppose you have saved you preferences and LyX was >>>>> restarted. >>>>> So, it should work. But indeed it seems to ignore the don't swap option. >>>>> Interestingly there is an additional line in your output I don't have: >>>>> >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(616): >>>>> keyevent has isNull() text ! >>>>> >>>>> The complete output I get for ctrl-b is: >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): >>>>> count: 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 16777250 keyState: Meta- >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(621): >>>>> Getting key 16777250, with text '' >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(627): >>>>> Setting key to 16777250, >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>>>> is 1 >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>>>> KeySym is Alt_L >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>>>> is 1 >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>>>> isModifier is 1 >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): >>>>> count: 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 66 keyState: Control- >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(621): >>>>> Getting key 66, with text ' ' >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(627): >>>>> Setting key to 66, >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>>>> is 1 >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>>>> KeySym is b >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): isOK >>>>> is 1 >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>>>> isModifier is 0 >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1686): >>>>> action first set to [] >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1694): >>>>> action now set to [] >>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1705): >>>>> Key [action=][Kontroll-B] >>>>> >>>>> I can see two possible explanations: >>>>> 1. We are using different LyX-2.0.2 software packages (I use the package >>>>> from www.lyx.org) >>>>> 2. We have different environments and there is some critical setting I >>>>> don't have >>>>> I have a german desktop and no special settings made to the system >>>>> keyboard mappings. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have another idea? Do you have your own keyboard tables assigned? >>>>> >>>>> Stephan >>>>> >>>>>> I moved the .bind files in /Library/Application Support/LyX-2.0/bind/ >>>>>> to another place and restart lyx 2.0.2 with the same settings as yours. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I type ctrl+b, nothing appears on the document. >>>>>> The message is: >>>>>> >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): >>>>>> count: 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 16777250 keyState: Meta- >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(621): >>>>>> Getting key 16777250, with text '' >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(627): >>>>>> Setting key to 16777250, >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): >>>>>> isOK is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>>>>> KeySym is Alt_L >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): >>>>>> isOK is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>>>>> isModifier is 1 >>>>>> 23:16:35.603: Unknown >>>>>> function./Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): >>>>>> count: 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 66 keyState: Meta- >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(616): >>>>>> keyevent has isNull() text ! >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): >>>>>> isOK is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>>>>> KeySym is b >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): >>>>>> isOK is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>>>>> isModifier is 0 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1686): >>>>>> action first set to [] >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1694): >>>>>> action now set to [] >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1705): >>>>>> Key [action=][Command-B] >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(726): >>>>>> text_ empty, isText() == false >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1732): >>>>>> Unknown, !isText() - giving up >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> When I type command + b, the cursor moves backwards by one character. >>>>>> The message is: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): >>>>>> count: 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 16777249 keyState: Control- >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(621): >>>>>> Getting key 16777249, with text '' >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(627): >>>>>> Setting key to 16777249, >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): >>>>>> isOK is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>>>>> KeySym is Control_L >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): >>>>>> isOK is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>>>>> isModifier is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp(1046): >>>>>> count: 1 text: isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 66 keyState: Control- >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(616): >>>>>> keyevent has isNull() text ! >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): >>>>>> isOK is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1663): >>>>>> KeySym is b >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(642): >>>>>> isOK is 1 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp(650): >>>>>> isModifier is 0 >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1686): >>>>>> action first set to [] >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1694): >>>>>> action now set to [] >>>>>> /Users/Shared/LyX/lyx-2.0.2/src/frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp(1705): >>>>>> Key [action=][Control-B] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
