On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 10:02:26PM +0200, Michael Gerz wrote: > John Levon schrieb: > >The exact same comments I've had every single time you've tried to bring > >this up. And not once have you actually gone through the design > >explanations I gave and argued your case. It's just "they have it, so > >should we". But I've said this before, and you've ignored it before. > > > Virtually every word processor has a "classic" "layout" menu with > entries for "Character", "Paragraph", "Document", and some more. What I > did not understand in the past and do not understand today is why we > tore these entries apart.
Presumably because you never read the rationale. I really don't feel like repeating myself on this topic again. All else being equal, "because they all do it" is a very good reason. But all else is /not/ equal. > Anyway, my proposal isn't as radical as it sounds. What I am proposing > is to move a few "Edit" to a new "Layout" menu. I do not question the > usefulness of optional menu items etc. You've added an entire menu. The "new" design was very careful to not overload the menu bar. There are other ways to fix the problem of overloading "Edit" with every available LFUN[1] than regressing the UI size. You're collecting infrequently used actions next to frequently used ones. We are not yet so overloaded with features that all our menus are required to be huge, like (for example) openoffice's. There is next to no point in contextual items in the new menu, as it is nearly empty otherwise. Could you at least provide (like I did) a /design/ rationale for your proposed change? At the very least this includes a set of pros and cons of the change. Again, if you're increasing the impact of the menus, please just propose a return to an updated classic.ui, as once you've abandoned this aspect, the original menus are more compact than the new version. regards john [1] for example: right mouse button context menu, tutorial, adaptive hints (tell the user how to do what they just did faster), toolbar...
