On Mon, 2005-04-18 at 12:32, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> >>>>> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Angus> Martin Vermeer wrote:
> >> Currently however, both the toolbar buttons and the keystroke C-e
> >> at least, still produce font-noun and font-emph attribute-type
> >> charstyles. Should we, for 1.4.0, switch to inset-type character
> >> styles for this, and make it the preferred way, marking the text
> >> attribute types noun and emph as deprecated?
> 
> Angus> My take: if the new way works, then use it. What's the point of
> Angus> writing it otherwise?
> 
> Well, my take is completely different :) I think we should get rid of
> the Noun charstyle in std latex classes, and only keep charstyles for
> *ML, where that are really needed.

Well, that has the merit of consistency... and it is easy to do. But we
should do *something*.

Are you aware BTW that in math, Noun is used to produce blackboard bold
and Emph to produce Calligraphic? I don't think we should be using such
trickery.

> Do you _really_ think that ``normal'' LaTeX users will thing that
> having the name of the style written under every emphasized word is an
> improvement? As they are I think they really hamper the reading of the
> document on screen. They are distractiing and take a _lot_ of screen
> estate to convey an information (emphasize, noun) which is not really
> needed, since people see on screen what the style is. 

Yes... _because_ they are hardwired to textit and textsc. Physical
mark-up. In that case let's be brutally honest and talk only about
'italic' and 'small caps'. There is a half-finished infrastructure for
logical mark-up in lyxfont, which is not being used and apparently not
usable / user configurable.

> Of course, this
> is not true for a style like "First Name", but this is not what we are
> doing here.

OK, agreed.

> Note that this does not prevent people from defining their own
> charstyles in their classes.
> 
> JMarc

- Martin

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