On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:21:20AM +0100, Michael Schmitt spake thusly:
> 
> > Martin,
> > I think we should add "Minipage" and "Parbox" to the box type lists instead of 
> > "frameless". If the user choses Minipage or Parbox, then the "has inner box" 
> > stuff should be completely disabled.
> > 
> > Otherwise people will bug us because they do not find minipage anymore.
> 
> The situation is worse (UI-wise):
>    I insert a frameless box and I get a minipage => Maximum confusion!
> 
> I don't know whether we have to distinguish between minipages and 
> parboxes or whether one of them supercharges the other. But in the UI we 
> should not mix _frame_ properties with general _box_ properties.
> 
> IMHO the menu should look like this:
> 
> 
>    Box =>   No Frame
>             Single Frame
>             Double Frame
>             Oval Frame, Thin
>             Oval Frame, Thick
>             Shadow Frame

OK, looks good. Can you prepare a patch?
 
> Alternatively, we can remove the submenu and use "Single Frame" as default.
> 
> As box label, I propose to have, e.g, "Box (No Frame)". In this way we 
> can save a couple of messages and gain a greater consistency. (Martin, I 
> don't think that the size of the label really matters.) 

Fine! That means a patch against insetbox.C. Could you make it? Do you
have to change ControlBox.C at all?

> Or even better, 
> we visualize the frame. I guess this can be done in a simple way 
> technically.

Not *so* simple... Angus proposed that too. Perhaps later...
 
> Michael
 
- Martin 

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