On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 06:49:05PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

> > And about the discussion if we should merge View and Window - menu:
> > Every application I seen on my desktop, all Apple apps, all Mozilla
> > apps, OpenOffice, Word 2003 (on XP), ... have a View AND a WINDOW
> > menu, and there is a rationale behind it.
> > Neither Word, OO or any of my Text-Editors has a Document-menu.
> 
> I would be nice to dig the old thread concerning the current menu
> structure. John Levon had a pretty through analysis of Higs at the
> time.

I've been idly watching this thread. It's obviously unfair of me to
complain about anything since it's been so long since I did something
useful, but I do think if Edwin wants to re-work everything, it'd be
good if he did the same kind of analysis I did first time around:

- what the biggest problems are with the current structure
- why a new structure would help
- the guiding principles behind the design of the new structure
- what each of the main HIGs have to say about both the old and new
  setup

I'm not necessarily saying that a re-org shouldn't happen, but I do
think people should bear in mind that all menu structures have problems,
and all re-workings cause a lot of upheaval. That is, you'd better be
pretty sure that the new system is so much better that it's worth
pissing off your users. I thought so, and gained enough consensus to
commit the changes, but I know there's still LyX hackers around who
disagreed with me on this the *first* time round.

I did this back in the day, so I'm aware of the kind of scars you can
accumulate by upsetting folks in this way :)

cheers,
john

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