Martin Vermeer wrote:
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 10:09:22AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote:
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Dov Feldstern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
We will face challenge for sure but Cursor movement is already
working well for entering and leaving insets. We will have to decide
what to do with selection though. I am in the opinion that when
coming outside of an inset, whatever it is (charstyle included), we
should select the full insets. Right now, the implementation offers
no other choice in any case.
I think this would be very unintuitive behavior in the case of
character styles.
I do not think so. I have yet to see of a good example where
overlapping extents are useful (do you have a better example than the
TEI one?). We should not design the UI around a weird case.
How about this:
I mark a couple of paragraphs and turn on "emph" to get them
emphasized. They are then in a charstyle inset.
Next, I figure that I need to copy (or move) stuff around.
I need one of the emphasized paragraphs and one other.
So that is what I try to mark and copy/move.
But LyX won't let me mark "half an inset plus some more text".
This behaviour makes sense for minipages and footnotes,
but not necessarily for emphasizing. Copying, moving or deleting
part of an emphasized region is not such a strange thing to do.
Especially deleting.
There is also the nasty surprise if I start selection inside
the emph region and scroll so I never see that the rest gets
selected once the cursor goes outside. This happens
with minipages too of course, but deleting half a minipage plus
some more is more unusual.
Helge Hafting
Not very convincing, is it? Most people learn from experience. What
would happen here is that they would quickly pick up that -- no, this
stuff does not behave like italicize; it behaves like insets instead.
Familiar paradigm that too, though different. After that realization,
everything becomes natural, and the above mistakes silly in retrospect.
And soon the penny will drop on the many advantages.
I am not convinced yet. I may be able to live with hierarchical
markup, the use for overlapping ranges is limited. And it can
be faked by breaking up the last style into several instances
anyway. So output that looks overlapping can be produced if need be.
But being forced into hierarchical select&cut is worse. Markup
extending over several pages will happen. For example, a novel
where the all the action is set upright, and the main character's inner
thoughts are set in italics. When selecting the first or last part
of such a region, it will be easy to overshoot the markup, and then
the whole thing is selected without any indication. Indication happens
only if the other end of the selection is seen, but that could be
outside the visible region. Well, perhaps indication
for this case can be added - they will see the frame and it could
change in some way to indicate that all got selected.
The problem is not here yet, seeing that charstyles can't contain
several paragraphs. But I guess that will change.
Helge Hafting
