On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 09:57:50PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> >Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>Abdel tested his code, and is confident in it. He has proven his
> >>skills many times. He makes mistake, just like everyone else. This has
> >>never stopped LyX from progressing, and will not now.
> >
> >I do not think the problem is in this area. Nobody questioned the
> >interest or the necessity of the patch. It is just that, when somebody
> >says "just merge it when you have 10 minutes", you expect that the
> >person has re-read it to make sure that it will not remove some recent
> >unrelated patches. You expect anyway that the person has re-read it to
> >make sure that he did it right (that would catch the problem above).
> >You expect that he has re-read it to produce a commit log that is
> >synthetic and that will helpfully explain what is going on (that
> >would catch the two problems above, surprise!).
>
> JMarc, I asked if someone was willing to help me before the trunk
> diverge too much. I had zero proposal for help.
We (well, not actually me, but "The LyX Team") were about to release
something. All this multiple buffer stuff was actually accepted only
with reservations, so I would have been somewhat surprised if the people
busy with making the stated goal of 1.5 (internal unicode) a reality
would have diverted too much of their precious time to help
yet-another-feature-#52423 coming into existance.
[In fact I was surprised that it still made it into 1.5.0 given the
rather weird cursor behaviour in when using multiple views of the same
buffer - but that's another story...]
> So I had to do it myself. For this I had to sync my branch with trunk
> and unfortunately I forgot one or two revision
Nah... impossible. Not your fault.
> because this bloody SVN doesn't do merge tracking
Right. SVN was playing tricks. I know that feeling. It happens to me all
the time, too. I always forget to commit half of my patch after
forgetting to send the patch in small chunks to the list, and bloody SVN
does not even give me a warning. It is really awful.
> (it's coming in the next version apparently).
I did not know that. Nevertheless I wonder whether e.g. git might be
more useful in general. We should really check it out at some point of
time...
> The small problems you are describing happened only because of that.
No doubt.
> Don't pretend that the small problems encountered is the reason for
> the resistance. The reason was that you wanted me to split the patch
> in ways that you could understand, period.
Not the full truth. The reasons were
(a) to force you to split the patch in ways more than a single person
understands,
(b) prevent stupid mistakes like the ones I usually make,
(c) making you do extra work just because we can and I am an asshole,
(d) sticking to an established and known-to-be-working-even-if-
in-the-presence-of-really-gifted-possibly-not-100%-efficient
development process,
(e) simply not accepting the attitude of eat-my-patch-or-I-will-not-
join-you-when-playing-with-my-toys-anymore.
In no particular order. And I probably forgot some.
> >Abdel, you asked at some time whether you have to prove yourself. I
> >do not think anybody on this list doubts of you programming skill. I
> >guess what makes things difficult is more a problem of attitude.
>
> Maybe you (not only you) should question your attitude as well?
*scroll up*
That's addressed ... (outside the parantheses) ... to Jean-Marc? That
Jean-Marc "tend-to-forget-my-jacket-in-the-forest" Lasgouttes we all
know and like? The one that desperately tries to apologize to Susana
for no good reason?
*cough*
It must be a parallel universe indeed. I wonder whether FinnAir will
take me back to my world one day...
> The reason why I insist so much in those things is that I really think
> you are too conservative and that you are scaring off wannabe
> developers.
Yes. It's really scary, especially over email.
Tell you what. When I had my first monster best-thing-since-sliced-bread
patch ready and everybody (as in "everybody-of-this-bunch-of-ignorant
-people-that-think-their-ugly-mess-of-useless-and-completely-broken
-'code'-makes-them-special") was either ignoring it or declaring it as
"too large" or "not understandable" or "not important" or "too likely to
break things" or me a Greenhorn that needs to prove himself I took my car,
put everything of importance in there, and went to some swimming pool
high up in the mountains near Bolzano.
And guess what. Yet another parallel universe there.
You should try that some day.
> >I had to literally get the information bit by bit to be able to know
> >what
>
> I don't think I was reluctant to give you this information. Did I
> refuse to give you this information?
> Excuse me if I cannot expose the information in a way that is simple
> to understand.
Happens to me all the time, too. People simply do not accept my attitude
as I cannot expose my obviously superior knowledge and abilities in a
way that is simple to understand. I definitely sense a brother-in-arms
here.
Andre'
> [...]
> Abdel.
PS: You make me really sad. I actually wanted to have a few hours of
fasting, but I think I'll just have a few bottles of beer and ponder the
madness of the world.
