"Dr. Ing. Roland Krause" wrote: > Hi Kev, > > Kev Buckley wrote: > > > Hello Lyx-Devel, > > > > One of my tasks here at Lancaster is to look after the TeX/MF > > installtion on the University's computers. > > > > Lancaster has a number of users of TeX/LaTeX, many are happy with the > > UNIX environment and we have a version of LyX on our UNIX platform. > > > > Quite a number of the postgrads in some departments however, do a > > large amount of work on our PC network under NT and are thus currently > > using the Scientific Word package, which they brought into, as a GUI > > FE for LaTeX. > > > > There would be benefits to be gained if users on both NT and UNIX > > platforms were able to use the same software, ie LyX. > > > > Although we have eXceed and I tried the Cygwin port of LyX, I guess > > the vast majority (and their supervisors!) would prefer to use a > > "true" NT package as opposed to a package running within a package > > (not my choice, so dont blame me). > > Actually, the Cygwin port is pretty nice, I hope that the need for external > scripts can be dropped soon. > I use Stephen's port almost on a daily basis, and the worst thing to be said > about it is, that you can not yet view inlined pictures, and that MikTeX isnt > TeTeX, i.e. MikTeX is missing some of the packages that TeTeX provides. > Others than that, it is very usable. You can configure it in a way that the > users dont know that they are starting an X-application, you can provide a start > up script that starts exceed and sets the display variable automagically, you > can even get shortcuts working decently. > There are issues with the working directories and stuff that can be worked out > for sure. > I am personally interested in having a good NT version of LyX, since I am forced > to work on NT and, quite frankly, gave up my resistance against it after a few > month. It's not as bad as its reputation. > > > > > OK, I have had some experience of using the wxWindows cross-platform > > toolkit and was wondering what, if any, the view was at LyX.org about > > the pros-and-cons and indeed, possibilities, of a port using this GUI > > toolkit on top of the LyX "engine", as I notice from your web pages > > that this is now divorced from the GUI. > > Disclaimer: I do not speek for the LyX developers. > I have done some investigation into this toolkit myself over the last couple of > days. In fact I think it is the most advanced cross platform toolkit (except > maybe Fltk) but as far as I see, you will be able to do the frames, the dialogs > and that kinda stuff fairly easy but the actual work will be to get the painter > and all the related stuff to work. Here are huge differences between MS and X, > e.g. the way fonts are handled and there is no toolkit to help with that. > > > > > Given that a Cygwin port of LyX does exist, albeit, I note, the 1.0 > > series rather than your current 1.1 editions, and that wxWindows > > compiles under Cygwin, I would like to think that a port to use this > > toolkit for the GUI might then allow a "native" NT version of LyX to > > be produced. > > I would be very interested in that too. I also would be willing to help out with > such a port. > I am not a developer but I know a fair amount about C++, GUI programming and I > have started to learn wxwindows. > A wxwindows port would also allow for a Gtk port of LyX which would quickly > allow LyX to be included in the RedHat derivated distros. > > > > > I thought I would try and get some thoughts from you before looking > > any further into this possible line of development. > > > > As usual with this type of message, I offer apologies if this topic > > has already been "done to death" on your list. > > > > Might it also be possible to subscribe to recieve the list. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Roland > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Kevin M. Buckley e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * > > * * > > * Systems Administrator * > > * Computer Centre * > > * Lancaster University Voice: +44 (0) 1524 5 93718 * > > * LANCASTER. LA1 4YW Fax : +44 (0) 1524 5 25113 * > > * England. * > > * * > > * My PC runs Linux/GNU, you still computing the Bill Gate$' way ? * > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Kev, Kev Buckley wrote: > Hello Lyx-Devel, > > One of my tasks here at Lancaster is to look after the TeX/MF > installtion on the University's computers. > > Lancaster has a number of users of TeX/LaTeX, many are happy with the > UNIX environment and we have a version of LyX on our UNIX platform. > > Quite a number of the postgrads in some departments however, do a > large amount of work on our PC network under NT and are thus currently > using the Scientific Word package, which they brought into, as a GUI > FE for LaTeX. > > There would be benefits to be gained if users on both NT and UNIX > platforms were able to use the same software, ie LyX. > > Although we have eXceed and I tried the Cygwin port of LyX, I guess > the vast majority (and their supervisors!) would prefer to use a > "true" NT package as opposed to a package running within a package > (not my choice, so dont blame me). Actually, the Cygwin port is pretty nice, I hope that the need for external scripts can be dropped soon. I use Stephen's port almost on a daily basis, and the worst thing to be said about it is, that you can not yet view inlined pictures, and that MikTeX isnt TeTeX, i.e. MikTeX is missing some of the packages that TeTeX provides. Others than that, it is very usable. You can configure it in a way that the users dont know that they are starting an X-application, you can provide a start up script that starts exceed and sets the display variable automagically, you can even get shortcuts working decently. There are issues with the working directories and stuff that can be worked out for sure. I am personally interested in having a good NT version of LyX, since I am forced to work on NT and, quite frankly, gave up my resistance against it after a few month. It's not as bad as its reputation. > > OK, I have had some experience of using the wxWindows cross-platform > toolkit and was wondering what, if any, the view was at LyX.org about > the pros-and-cons and indeed, possibilities, of a port using this GUI > toolkit on top of the LyX "engine", as I notice from your web pages > that this is now divorced from the GUI. Disclaimer: I do not speek for the LyX developers. I have done some investigation into this toolkit myself over the last couple of days. In fact I think it is the most advanced cross platform toolkit (except maybe Fltk) but as far as I see, you will be able to do the frames, the dialogs and that kinda stuff fairly easy but the actual work will be to get the painter and all the related stuff to work. Here are huge differences between MS and X, e.g. the way fonts are handled and there is no toolkit to help with that. > > Given that a Cygwin port of LyX does exist, albeit, I note, the 1.0 > series rather than your current 1.1 editions, and that wxWindows > compiles under Cygwin, I would like to think that a port to use this > toolkit for the GUI might then allow a "native" NT version of LyX to > be produced. I would be very interested in that too. I also would be willing to help out with such a port. I am not a developer but I know a fair amount about C++, GUI programming and I have started to learn wxwindows. A wxwindows port would also allow for a Gtk port of LyX which would quickly allow LyX to be included in the RedHat derivated distros. > > I thought I would try and get some thoughts from you before looking > any further into this possible line of development. > > As usual with this type of message, I offer apologies if this topic > has already been "done to death" on your list. > > Might it also be possible to subscribe to recieve the list. > > -- > Regards, Roland > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > * Kevin M. Buckley e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * > * * > * Systems Administrator * > * Computer Centre * > * Lancaster University Voice: +44 (0) 1524 5 93718 * > * LANCASTER. LA1 4YW Fax : +44 (0) 1524 5 25113 * > * England. * > * * > * My PC runs Linux/GNU, you still computing the Bill Gate$' way ? * > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
