On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:07:57AM +0000, David Woolley wrote: > David Combs wrote: >> Trying to download something. >> >> Lynx correctly complains that it cannot -- permissions wrong. >> >> So I ^z and fg into kermit and set the permmissions a+r. >> >> Then I fg back into lynx, and try it again. >> >> Same complaint. (It's the OLD complaint -- it >> remembered it DID have wrong permissions.) > > This could be a server side problem. Many servers have "friendly" error > pages. Quite a lot of these are mis-implemented and return a 200 status > page, rather than a 403 status one. It's quite possible that a > subsequent refresh may refresh the friendly page, or even do a > successful if-modified-since on the original page. > > Kermit should not be caching 403 responses, but it should be caching a > 200 response. > > Note some servers even reply with a client side redirect to their > friendly pages. In fact, it is such client side redirects that usually > end in 200 status 403 responses! > > Reloading the page will cancel the effect of any client side redirect > and will mean that if-modified-since requests can't be used. > > -- > David Woolley > Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. > RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, > that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. > > > _______________________________________________ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Thanks for the informative response, David. The isp I use is panix.com (manhattan) shell-account -- so I sent your reply to their people. Here's the reply I got: | From e...@panix.com Wed Dec 24 03:30:47 EST 2008 | Article: 129043 of panix.questions | Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail | From: e...@panix.com (Eleanor J. Evans [Panix Staff]) | Newsgroups: panix.questions | Subject: Re: How to make LYNX *forget* a file *was* (no longer) protected? | Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:10:46 +0000 (UTC) | Organization: Public Access Networks Corp. | Lines: 55 | Message-ID: <gigrjm$qh...@reader1.panix.com> | References: <gigp7l$jj...@panix2.panix.com> | NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com | X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1229713846 27197 166.84.1.5 (19 Dec 2008 19:10:46 GMT) | X-Complaints-To: ab...@panix.com | NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:10:46 +0000 (UTC) | X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) | Xref: panix panix.questions:129043 | | In article <gigp7l$jj...@panix2.panix.com>, | David Combs <dkco...@panix.com> wrote: | >Here's a question I sent to the lynx-people, and their response. | | >From: David Woolley <for...@david-woolley.me.uk> | >To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org | >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:07:57 +0000 | >Message-ID: <494b565d.3000...@david-woolley.me.uk> | | >David Combs wrote: | >> Trying to download something. | >> Lynx correctly complains that it cannot -- permissions wrong. | >> So I ^z and fg into kermit and set the permmissions a+r. | >> Then I fg back into lynx, and try it again. | | >> Same complaint. (It's the OLD complaint -- it | >> remembered it DID have wrong permissions.) | | >This could be a server side problem. Many servers have "friendly" error | >pages. Quite a lot of these are mis-implemented and return a 200 status | >page, rather than a 403 status one. It's quite possible that a subsequent | >refresh may refresh the friendly page, or even do a successful | >if-modified-since on the original page. | | >Kermit should not be caching 403 responses, but it should be caching a 200 | >response. | | >Note some servers even reply with a client side redirect to their friendly | >pages. In fact, it is such client side redirects that usually end in 200 | >status 403 responses! | | >Reloading the page will cancel the effect of any client side redirect and | >will mean that if-modified-since requests can't be used. | | We are sending a 403; we are not doing a friendly redirect. | | I tried this with a page on my own site, first setting its permissions | not to be group- or world-readable. lynx correctly handed me a 403. | In another window, I reset the permissions on the page. When I | reloaded in lynx, it handed me a 403 again. When I reloaded a second | time, it retrieved the page. | | Trying it a second time, it took 3 refreshes to make lynx recognize | the change. Although, interestingly, it recognized the forbidden | status right away. And again, it took 5-6 refreshes (I lost count). | And doing it *again*, it loaded it right away. | | Firefox, on the other hand, had no such lag. | | Which is to say, I don't know what's going on, but I don't think it's | server-related. | | -- | Eleanor J. Evans, e...@panix.com | Customer Support, (212) 741-4400 | | Hmmm. You mentioned kermit. Kermit wasn't involved when running lynx from my HOME computer, trying to download FROM panix (which I *do* use kermit for to get into -- via telephone). The the home-based lynx-run was connected directly to the net (I rarely plug it into my computer -- have enough problems without having my system penetrated! So I plug in, download, unplug. For browsing the net, with pictures, etc, I just use my wife's pc.) Anyway, what's with this lynx having to refresh multiple times stuff? Thanks! David _______________________________________________ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
